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  • I'm primarily talking about a startup without any big investment upfront. Commented Feb 5, 2015 at 17:55
  • @SAM: putting a lot of hours in without necessarily getting paid still counts as investment. Commented Feb 5, 2015 at 17:56
  • I agree about that, but it doesn't mean the team "has plenty of stuff to do other than programming". Commented Feb 5, 2015 at 17:58