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  • hmm apparently a whole industry for parenting books and courses doesn't help mitigate this frustration or make them accept that they will be ignored. However, I think what's difference in here is that the cake is more instinctual, and the arguments about eating vegetables are indeed ignored. However, the business users can still acknowledge the limitations of their tools, and some are indeed willing to learn if there is time and help. And if they don't listen to the advise then they still have to pay money for their choice Commented Oct 7, 2023 at 17:41
  • You have lots of thoughts on this subject, but I think you are just wrong. The cake is specifically designed to appeal to the child by unscrupulous big sugar, who also manipulate the laws (market) to allow TV advertising (kick backs and conferences) during their favorite cartoons (strategy meetings). All the cool kids (big name companies who tasted cake once) are allowed cake, why are you a bad parent!? Commented Oct 7, 2023 at 18:10
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    In short, this is a constant war for senior devs at most large software companies, you might win a couple of battles, but every year there will be a cake evaluation where you have to trot out the same arguments for vegetables. You might not have experienced it yourself, or you might like cake and think its not fattening, but that is the reason why you will see lots of posts expressing frustration. Commented Oct 7, 2023 at 18:20
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    you are missing the point The scenario of small business uses wordpress + shopify rather than hiring a dev team is NOT what causes frustration. It's organically grown massive infrastructure should be replaced with websphere/erp of the month so that "managers can make their own changes" Commented Oct 8, 2023 at 10:10
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    also you are massively over simplifying "the owner pays not you" 1. usually its some manager making the choice, not the owner. They can totally get a bonus/promotion out of a new project before it starts to break. 2. the owner doesn't pay, the company does, which means the employees do. In terms of devs, a switch to an erp can mean either you are now an erp X dev or you change company. So yes there is a personal cost. 3. devs get attached to their work. You want to throw that all in the bin? thats an emotional cost Commented Oct 8, 2023 at 10:21