Timeline for Is "Hiring only the Best" a really practical advice for normal desktop application programming?
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| May 10, 2011 at 6:37 | comment | added | Dibbeke | Ok, perhaps there was a misunderstanding somewhere. Perhaps I've not made myself clear, or perhaps I misinterpreted one of your comments. In any case, my apologies. | |
| May 9, 2011 at 18:17 | comment | added | n1ckp | Having the company let you browse SO for training is quite nice already and do not require any investment from them. More than that and, although nice, it becomes what I was talking about with the word "toy" and is not necessary. That's my opinion from your answer but, like I said, it seems like a far reach from the question asked anyway. | |
| May 9, 2011 at 18:16 | comment | added | n1ckp | also be any number of other reason) it is in no way what his question is about and you do not answer anything much in that effect. Lastly, I still have trouble of seeing your point in all of this. My point was that things like "free training" and stuff like that are nice to have but you can't ask a company for that (they have to be big and have cash to spare) and is not the things I'm looking for when looking for a job. | |
| May 9, 2011 at 18:09 | comment | added | n1ckp | @Dibbeke: Well first, I never said money was any good value system and I said multiple things to that effect so I would like if you could please stop talking about that. Technical competence, although correlated with the salary, is not the biggest correlation in my opinion (that would be responsability) so stop talking like if money == technical competence, those term are not equivalent. Second, I don't get how you got that it is the OP's problem from the question. Like I aldready said, yes it could be the reason why he has troubles getting qualified canditate (although it could also be .. | |
| May 9, 2011 at 8:01 | comment | added | Dibbeke | I mean that money and technical competence should not be the only motivator nor value system in the company. Although it might work at first, your company will grow, and you need to assign some of those employees to 'mixed' positions. See it as 'employee reuse': your employees are more than just 'code-machines'. Instead, they'll become experts of the domain you develop for, keepers of your company's social structure and have a loyal stance towards you. If you really think otherwise, perhaps you need to outsource to a cheap labor country. | |
| May 6, 2011 at 17:41 | comment | added | n1ckp | @Dibbeke: No, what do you mean? What values exactly? | |
| May 3, 2011 at 12:45 | comment | added | n1ckp | Also if what you're saying is that good people only go to company like google that have all kind of "toy" for their employee, I would disagree. We live in the real world and company too, money doesn't come from the trees and good people know this and like their company with a "no-bullshit" attitude, at least that's my view. | |
| May 3, 2011 at 12:45 | comment | added | n1ckp | @Dibbeke: not sure if I got your last comment but I think I agree at least a little with you. But again, I'm not sure it is helpful to the OP (although I see more how it is related to the question now). What makes me say that is he never talked anything about his company, so yes maybe it could be a cause that his company has bad reputation, but I think you're jumping to conclusions .. | |
| May 3, 2011 at 7:55 | comment | added | Dibbeke | @n1ck When you said marketing, I started wondering if basing a hiring process on basic values is really the same. I don't know, but I do recognize that building a social network of trust and respect is heavily influenced by it. This in turn influences the reputation of your company and helps you attract those top-notch software developers. | |
| May 3, 2011 at 3:25 | comment | added | n1ckp | @Dibbeke: well I modded it down also partly because I don't see how this is related to the question. Nice rant though and I don't disagree with your last comment (although your answer is something else) but I still fail to see how it would help the OP or answer the actual question. | |
| May 3, 2011 at 1:51 | comment | added | Dibbeke | If you don't understand my comment, maybe you should not mod it down. Anyways, what I mean is quite simple. Over time, I met quite some excellent programmers. They know their languages, algorithms, math, physics... However, what made them great in the first place was an interest in more than just the craft. They often value curiosity in themselves and in others. They see independent erudition as an important trait (or value) or they are inspired by those around them who are creative. Often, these values are more important than their income. | |
| May 3, 2011 at 1:33 | comment | added | n1ckp | -1: if you said (and the OP talked about) money of course it would makes sense. I don't understand how this answer would helps him though. You're basically saying that he do not put enough marketing in his application if I understood right? Well, maybe that would help a small bit but I don't usually see a lot of highly competent people not putting at least a reasonable amount of value on .. duh .. competence ? .. like I said, replace "programming competence" with money and your answer makes a lot of sense but sorry I'm not getting it. | |
| S May 2, 2011 at 23:43 | history | answered | Dibbeke | CC BY-SA 3.0 | |
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