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    I wasn't planning to go back to TL. I've been bullied too many times there. Until that changes, too toxic for me. I want all the pain and damage to stop. I don't understand why the company has consistently refused to work with me to resolve this. Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 2:27
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    As an observer (and friend of Monica's, who deeply cares for the mess she's in as a result of all this), I frankly don't trust SE enough to believe a conversation on the Stack Exchange platform would remain private. I strongly encourage discord for this if the intent is for it to be private. Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 4:16
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    @enderland I personally think SE right now, private or not, carries too much baggage for all parties, so I agree with discord. The intent for this is just to be a conversation. Two people talking, without meta bearing down upon us and things flying thick and fast. Monica and I are both people. It's time for a calm conversation that recognizes that shared humanity and good will. Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 4:23
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    Sorry, but what does TL mean? Google says "timeline", but if it's something one doesn't want to go back to, it must be a website or something, right? Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 8:30
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    Teacher's Lounge. The not so secret secret mod chatroom Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 8:43
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    "This feels like literally the last chance to set things right - and actually come to something akin to an understanding." Everyone, not only the users but also the company, has hopefully cooled down in the time since the incident occurred and maybe we could now kind of talk about what went wrong. I actually think the company could come up with a few more real apologies regarding the treatment of Monica. If only to end this whole episode on a more graceful note. Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 8:58
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    You posted “folks are putting out small fires and larger ones”.   That strikes me as a somewhat odd thing to say; maybe I’m missing the point.   Or did you mean to say “folks are putting out small fires and setting larger ones”? Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 20:22
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    Yelling is necessary when talking falls upon deaf ears. Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 23:55
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    @Scott they're putting out fires of all sizes! Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 23:57
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    @jhpratt Or to have reasonable yet loud voices. I'm pretty sure I've burnt through some of the stock of good will I might have with some in the company and even the community, but at the very least Its doubtful I would be written off as a troublemaker ;) Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 23:59
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    @MonicaCellio - because that is what progressives do. It's been their modus operandi for far far longer than you can imagine but ramped up significantly last 10 or 15 years. I wonder, did you protest when Mozilla fired the man basically responsible for Mozilla's success, Brendan Eich? Or did you cheer in the same car as the person who slandered you now? Commented Oct 25, 2019 at 22:42
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    Yeah, I meant Jeff Atwood when I said Jeff Commented Oct 25, 2019 at 22:46
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    @DVK I didn't follow it and had (have) no opinion. Commented Oct 27, 2019 at 0:40
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    Imo it was getting better. It is currently what I would consider near rock bottom. Commented Oct 28, 2019 at 23:23
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    When Niemoller's poem has now been declared offensive, I doubt that any sincere desire to speak honestly and openly is left. Disagreement is censored, and asking questions gets someone suspended, grievances are left unaddressed, so what is left but rage? Commented Oct 30, 2019 at 20:21