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@NordineLotfi less than a gig currently but we have a lot of extra space available on it in case we fubar or it blows up in size

but it's nothing compared to that copy of the Ubuntu Archive Mirror for amd64/i386 releases, that thing's a beast compared to anything else on my cluster

@Spevacus: Thanks for keeping the MS downtime low. We've got a review queue to smash. ;D

@Spevacus the big problem was the disk I/O until it got shoved on a dedicated SSD

Spevacus

Finally got my place of work to install almost every work computer with an SSD. It's glorious.

Nordine Lotfi

@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard so you could throw it all in Ram, at least when you change disk :D

Thomas Ward

@Nordine Lotfi @NordineLotfi little hard to do that, VMware has no concept of RAMDisk

and the Rails app that MS runs as is pain

and heavy on disk and RAM resources already so running all that as a ramdisk is a no-go

Nordine Lotfi

@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard hmm, true. If this was qemu, i guess it would have more luck to work, knowing the codebase is easier (whatever that mean)

Thomas Ward

@Nordine Lotfi @NordineLotfi true, but you still run into the RAM problem when MS actively tries to eat at least 50% of 6GB of allocated RAM plus swap it eats too

if it were something smaller that didn't have such heavy resource needs I'd say yeah ram-disking it is totally possible

but not for MS which has many other requirements

Nordine Lotfi

00:12

@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard Yeah, you're right :/. why not run Linux on your VM then? (unless the codebase prevent it)

Thomas Ward

@Nordine Lotfi @NordineLotfi ... it is running on Linux :P

all the VMs I run are Linux except for certain things (RHEL dev machine, pfSense firewall, VMware on the host nodes in the cluster)

Nordine Lotfi

@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard OH, i misunderstood, my bad :D

Thomas Ward

but attempting to load all the MS stuff and OS and such into RAM would overload the VM's allocated resources, because it does fluctuate usage sometimes

but that's a different discusison

and one we're working on ;)

Nordine Lotfi

@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard if you ever need an idea man, I'm here :D

Thomas Ward

what I really need is free money :P

Nordine Lotfi

00:29

@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard Ha!

Spevacus

Honestly, same.

Thomas Ward

well i need $2100 in free monz for reasons so whistles nonchalantly

Nordine Lotfi

we all do, we all do... cough

Spevacus

Wasted my CV on a misguided dupe VTC, that's... what... 6 failures now? I should go to bed at this point.

Thomas Ward

@Spevacus that's 7 failures because you're now whining about it. (just kidding, but you know what I mean)

Spevacus

00:37

Heh, fair.

Thomas Ward

sleep beckons for you :P

8 for actually agreeing with me xD

Spevacus

Good lord.

Nordine Lotfi

9 for actually sleeping Ha!

Spevacus

Do I hear 10?

Thomas Ward

10 for self-deprecating humor here.

11 because you had to ask.

Nordine Lotfi

00:39

12 for dreaming of what's happening now

Thomas Ward

13 because you're still here and not sleeping. xD

(sorry we're having fun xD)

Spevacus

I love this community.

Alright, later!

Nordine Lotfi

@Spevacus @Spevacus Later!

rene

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rene

08:03

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Cagliostro

Hey, can anyone open this page physics.stackexchange.com/users/272922 ....i was chatting with this user whose parent account was a page-not-available

Journeyman Geek

08:38

@Cagliostro @Cagliostro only a physics mod might see something. I wonder if the user patented their chat account there then deleted the site account

Cagliostro

09:13

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek In that case...the account data should have been available on SEDE? but it isn't...infact there's no other account of that user as checked by SEDE

hidden included

Journeyman Geek

09:35

@Cagliostro @Cagliostro SEDE has a uh... weekly snapshot?

mag

SEDE is updated every sunday night

what you see is the data from the last update

Cagliostro

09:59

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek as @mag stated , sunday was half a week ago....i should've got some trace unless it is possible to run a chat account without a stack account

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek kind of, there's a functionality to find all accounts of a user (hidden included)

Journeyman Geek

10:26

sure but I kinda need something else - say the chat account link :D

Rob

10:54

@Cagliostro @Cagliostro SEDE has no questions, answers, or comments. I need the username to look further.

Cagliostro

11:12

@Rob @Rob I have got a blank space ___...And I'll write this name

Nice to meet you where you been: TS

Journeyman Geek

Saniya

11 1

momentum

hhmmm

Something seems borked

@Cagliostro the user you linked has 35. This one has 11

Cagliostro

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek So you found the acc

Journeyman Geek

@Cagliostro I just searched for the name on the site

no mod-magic (TM) required

Cagliostro

But it's not the same linked on Chat SE

Journeyman Geek

@Cagliostro @Cagliostro I will show you incredible things...

@Cagliostro which is curious

Cagliostro

11:18

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek Keep you second guessing like...Oh my god, who is she?

Journeyman Geek

(heh, isn't it "Magic, Madness, Heaven Sin"?)

I might get bored and lip sync to songs at work. Yay masks

Cagliostro

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek I am writing in context of the chat

Journeyman Geek

@Cagliostro or he lol

Cagliostro

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek I did that while writing an entrance test lol

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek Saniya is a she name...unless....xD

Journeyman Geek

Its also a way to reference to a minor hindu deity in some indian languages :D

Cagliostro

11:23

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek dont know about the reference...But I am pretty sure the name is feminine (am Indian)

Journeyman Geek

which in some contexts could be a minor swear

Cagliostro

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek ??

Journeyman Geek

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shani was thinking of this one :D

Cagliostro

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek Shani hahaha xD not equivalent

Shani is also reffered as saturday

Journeyman Geek

ah but the H is a northern thing

We tend to speak pronounce things with less hes - in face tamil's probably got all those rounded off I suspect

Cagliostro

11:25

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek Ohh yaa, its H in every name....and yes I suppose

I'll try linking my chem account with chat SE and deleting it

Journeyman Geek

(heh, india is hardly a homogenus culture, even within the same language-group :D )

If you break anything, its your fault :D

Cagliostro

Bug confirmed chat.stackexchange.com/users/472278/anindya-prithvi

And I think no mods can see this

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek Broken

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek same language? xD

Journeyman Geek

@Cagliostro say within tamil - there's regional variations, some casty weirdness...

Cagliostro

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek different dialects within languages

Journeyman Geek

@Cagliostro and cultures

Cagliostro

11:30

I have anonymized chat stack exchange lol

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek yeah...not to jump any further

Journeyman Geek

@Cagliostro I can literally open my mouth, and talk tamil and someone can figure out my background lol

mag

@Journeyman Geek: (heh, india is *hardly* a homogenus culture, even within the same language-group :D )

@JourneymanGeek I often joke that I know an indian from singapore :D

Cagliostro

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek is it so lol...in hindi/bengali i can differentiate urban suburban and rural tones

but no always

@mag @mag There are indians all over the world xD

Journeyman Geek

@mag ah wierd thing is people in singapore have an easier time :D

I suspect to indians, I sound like "Would you happen to have the time, good sir?"

mag

@Cagliostro @Cagliostro I know two indians that live nearby but they're both not that indian

they aren't religious, they hate the guts of the caste system and they eat cow meat. Also despite coming from india as children they don't have any accent in german or english and don't speak any indian language

Journeyman Geek

11:35

and since my parents left pre-70s, in the middle of the anti hindi movement, and when india was closed off, my tamil has less mixing :D

@mag Pretty sure that even if I turned my back on my culture, I'd be lactovegan lol

unless I worked out a suitable replacement for proper yogurt.

Cagliostro

@mag @mag even i dont have an accent of any where

Can speak spanish, german, hindi, bengali, russian(a bit), not english xD

Journeyman Geek

lol

I am told I have ALL THE ACCENTS in english

mag

I sometimes joke with them that they eat more meat then I do

I've never heard you talk journey so I can't judge

but I believe it

Journeyman Geek

@mag I wouldn't be surprised if they were my folks, lapsed

Cagliostro

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek Are you over 50?

am just 17

Journeyman Geek

11:37

Uh

Not yet. Not for quite a while ;p

Cagliostro

70s?

Journeyman Geek

...

DO I SOUND THAT OLD?

just barely late 30s :D

Cagliostro

You said 70s....I just calculated

mag

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek don't ask questions whence you don't want an answer :P

Journeyman Geek

@Cagliostro My parents left india in the 70s lol

I wasn't born then

Cagliostro

11:39

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek oh...terrible misinterpretation

mag

although

Cagliostro

I thought you were vibing to TS songs in the early 50s xD

mag

I do know a sikh person too

Journeyman Geek

@Cagliostro only if I was a time traveller

@mag Observant or non observant?

Rob

@Cagliostro: :8559050 I have got a blank space ___...And I'll write [this](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/55568570#55568570) name

@Cagliostro Using the first (?) name only I found one deleted user and two possible different people (or alternate usernames): metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/spammers/3707 history.stackexchange.com/users/37245/anindya-mondal stackoverflow.com/users/2421900/anindya-sankar-dasgupta

Cagliostro

11:44

I have accounts only on math, Tex, phy, SO and meta

@Rob @Rob none match with me

Rob

Looks like either a bug in registering the account or the user did something and got their account deleted, yanking them out from under you.

Cagliostro

@Rob @Rob I think that they registered their account, accepted chat privileges, deleted the account, recreated the account....in that case, the reputation on Chat SE must freeze

I think mine did freeze

Rob

They should still be in the transcript.

Cagliostro

@Rob @Rob they=? and transcript of what?

is chat account seperate for all SE accounts...I dont see a link between other chats and this

mag

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek actually observant

the whole belief system is really cool in my view. I'm not religious myself but I can get onboard with religions like sikhism, from what I gather a lot of it is about helping others

they even have a temple where you can eat for free if you want

apparently at most days you can just come in and you will get a meal for free, (I think it's vegetarian though). No clue how they fund it, but it's a legit operation

Rob

12:05

Journeyman Geek

@mag I can respect a religion built around "Y'all REALLY NEED TO GET ALONG"

@mag its one of the pillars of their faith to feed people , and never turning anyone away cause they can't eat there

mag

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek I can get behind running a giant soup kitchen as a central tenant of faith

It's not like i'd ever believe a god is telling me to do that but if superstition results in an unequivocally good outcome it can be justified, imo.

Journeyman Geek

:D

Journeyman Geek

12:45

@mag I think common sense, and concern for the rest of humanity are great foundations for faith :D

mag

yea

in a certain way I still don't like religion

a pleasant and useful lie is still a lie

but it's easier to tolerate when its people do good in the name of it

Journeyman Geek

heh, We were having a conversation about that the other day

Cagliostro

@mag: apparently at most days you can just come in and you will get a meal for free, (I think it's vegetarian though). No clue how they fund it, but it's a legit operation

@mag community funded..and also, there are services to contribute to..i.e. serving/cleaning/cooking etc

@mag @mag haha xD....

Rubiksmoose

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@terdon you still reading The City We Became?

mag

@Rubiksmoose is that fantasy?

Rubiksmoose

@mag @mag Yep. One of my new favorite authors.

Been tearing through her stuff like crazy

mag

who is it

Rubiksmoose

N. K. Jemisin

Nora K. Jemisin (born September 19, 1972) is an American science fiction and fantasy writer who has also worked as a counseling psychologist. Her fiction includes a wide range of themes, notably cultural conflict and oppression. She has won several awards for her work, including the Locus Award. As of her August 2018 win, the three books of her Broken Earth series have made her the first author to have won the Hugo Award for Best Novel in three consecutive years or for all three novels in a trilogy.In 2009 and 2010, Jemisin's short story "Non-Zero Probabilities" was a finalist for the Nebula and...

mag

she wrote the broken earth series right?

I read and liked that one a lot

Rubiksmoose

13:10

Yes indeed! Those were my first ones as well

mag

I shall read that one as well

Rubiksmoose

Yay! I'm in the middle of it now. You'll have to let me know what you think of it.

mag

I was a big fan of the converging perspective flips in the broken earth series

Rubiksmoose

Yesss! I was actually surprised by it too. I didn't catch on until about where the books wanted you to.

mag

It's masterfully done, I didn't suspect a thing until the name / coin drop moment and at that point it was really satisfying to see all the setup click into place you could see exactly that that was where she intended for you to find out too

terdon

13:26

@Rubiksmoose: @terdon you still reading The City We Became?

@Rubiksmoose started it, but got distracted so I'm barely past the beginning. It didn't pull me in as much as I expected.

Rubiksmoose

@terdon @terdon I can see why that might be the case. I'll say that we get a bit of an ensemble cast and they are pretty interesting. But I think the hooks in her other books were better.

Maybe

@mag @mag It seriously was. Like I hadn't even considered it. It was a while before I realized that it was actually in the past even.

Ollie

13:59

Ohh, Broken Earth?

I've been meaning to read that for ages.

mag

do it

it's really good

Ollie

@mag I will!

terdon

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that @mag used to have an -isch.

mag

yes

Ollie

When a question is closed, it says the users who voted to close the question are "(Viewable by the post author and users with the close/reopen votes privilege)".

terdon

14:13

@mag @mag phew, I thought there was some newbie who came in and got RO status in a month! :P

Ollie

I can't see them unless I have 3000 reputation, post owner or not.

I do have 3k here, but not elsewhere.

Catija

@Ollie @Ollie we should have changed that wording. The names are only visible in the post notice to privileged users, not the OP.

Ollie

@Catija I know.

Catija

Where are you seeing it?

Ollie

@Catija on every closed post.

Here's an example: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/354300/…

Catija

14:15

I need to see what you see. Screenshot?

Ollie

Hang on

Here is the link: i.sstatic.net/SgDCP.png

It's only viewable to the post author if they have 3k.

Meta Andrew T.

I think the placing is unfortunate. Supposed to be the message itself is shown to the post author.

Catija

Yeah... I think the viewable note is about the message not the list

Ollie

You sure?

I mean, it says the list is only viewable to the post owner and those with 3k etc etc.

mag

@terdon: :8559358 phew, I thought there was some newbie who came in and got RO status in a month! :P

@terdon unlikely

I think it's been quite some time since there was a new RO

Meta Andrew T.

14:21

@Ollie @Ollie Sure, because I have a question closed on MSE on meta.stackexchange.com/questions/251026/… :)

Spevacus

@JNat Cross site spammer. Treat them with care. stackexchange.com/users/18491476/xee-developers

Ollie

@MetaAndrewT. yeah

Why isn't the message and list shown to you, then?

Seems like a bug.

Spevacus

@Ollie @Ollie I'm not sure what's not functioning correctly here. CVers will show only if you have 3k and are NOT the post owner.

Ollie

I'm not sure what is functioning correctly here.

Meta Andrew T.

because the close voters shouldn't be shown to the OP in an easy way to prevent potential bad actions...

Ollie

14:25

True.

But then the message is misleading.

Isn't it?

Spevacus

There are plenty of problems with the closure post notices...

Meta Andrew T.

mis...placed

more correct:

Ollie

Aha!

I hit the reputation cap yesterday. This is an occasion. Tea and coffee for everyone.

sdc coffee Spevacus

JNat

@Spevacus: @JNat Cross site spammer. Treat them with care. https://stackexchange.com/users/18491476/xee-developers

@Spevacus gone

SmokeDetector

@Ollie @Ollie brews a cup of Affogato for @Spevacus

Ollie

14:29

sdc tea JNat

SmokeDetector

@Ollie @Ollie brews a cup of chamomile tea for @JNat

Ollie

sdc coffee everyone

SmokeDetector

@Ollie @Ollie brews a cup of Affogato for @everyone

Ollie

Thanks @SmokeDetector

Is it possible to get over 200 reputation in a day?

Without bounties?

Spevacus

Having your answers accepted can put you over.

Ollie

14:31

Hm.

Must go

Ta!

Meta Andrew T.

Da!

luchonacho

15:46

Hi there. A brief question. I'm creating a query to list users with highest number of sites having a given badge. I made one but it is counting the total number of badges across all sites. This inflates the numbers.

my code:

select top 100 b.userid, u.displayname, count(*) as gold
from badges b
inner join users u on u.id = b.userid
where name in ('BADGE')
group by b.userid, u.displayname
order by gold desc

I feel I only need a small tweek

but can't figure ir out

Spevacus

@luchonacho @luchonacho You might want the SEDE chatroom. Rene's pretty active in there, and I don't think he'd mind being pinged. :)

luchonacho

cool, thank you!

Spevacus

Mhmm!

Rob

16:12

Ahhh

user400654

18:02

💰

Meta Andrew T.

🌴

Journeyman Geek

18:25

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Q: Why do deleted questions still show up in the anonymous feedback section?

For example, a post has a 9/-50 anonymous feedback, and shows up in the "overrated" section of Anonymous Post Feedback. The question is closed and deleted. The question deemed overrated was actually handled at some point, therefore that feedback was actioned and validated. What's the rationale of...

support 10k-tools anonymous-visitors

Hmm. What IS the anonymous feedback section?

Spevacus

I think it's in \tools\post-feedback? I retagged it 10k-tools because it rang a bell.

Mithical

@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek meta.stackexchange.com/tools/post-feedback/summary?filter=all

Journeyman Geek

18:40

Ah

rekire

19:21

Hey, can I kindly request to move that question from meta.SO to meta.SE? meta.stackoverflow.com/q/401306/995926

Aibobot

@rekire that needs to be done from MSO's end by a MSO mod

but wait

why/how is that a meta question?

rekire

well I'm not sure where to ask. I already messed up the question where to ask that question lol

basically I read about that api, thought that would be an interesting feature, but it is not working at all. I'm not sure if that is by design or a wrong implementation

Aibobot

So rather than migrating it...

ah!

Wouldn't the right way to ask the question proper is - talking about how you're trying to use the API, and what you're (not) getting?

rekire

might be. I am not sure if I understood that correctly. Maybe I should split it up. on SU how does that feature works and when confirmed that I understood it correctly on SO to find out what I messed up

Aibobot

I don't think its a SU question at all

but yeah, the problem might not be scope - you need to work out the framing first

what hat am I wearing - end user or dev? What am I trying to do?

from what I'm seeing its not an end user thing (and as an alt account of an SU and MSE mod, I'd know these ;D )

rekire

19:33

Well I'm a bit surprised. What topics can I ask about here (on SU)?: "If you have a question about [...] computer software"

Since I'm wearing here the end user hat: did I understand that feature correctly?

If my assumptions are correct I will grep my dev hat :-D

DavidPostill

@rekire @rekire There is also a bit that says:

> and it is not about …

programming and software development,

rekire

@DavidPostill @DavidPostill I would hide my dev hat on SU I would only show it to my friends on SO. sorry if that was not clear. I said before I might should split it up: the end user and dev parts

DavidPostill

@rekire @rekire As it stands your question is neither one thing or another, and is so lacking in any details it would be closed on either site.

rekire

hm...

DavidPostill

@rekire @rekire You haven't said what your program is supposed to do, or what is actually does, and why it doesn't do what you want. You have to assume we know nothing at all about your program.

rekire

19:51

you are right so far. I read some time ago about a feature called windows timeline that is managed with the microsoft graph. I was wondering if that would make sense (some kind of UX question) if I would put my activities into that graph so that I could switch between my mobile and my desktop. that is not an exclusive idea for a special program. I just created one of those activites with that api, but I saw nothing. not via api and not on my windows timeline

since I saw nothing I went one step back asking myself if that api is for that job or not. I was even asking myself if I understood that windows timeline correctly

Rubiksmoose

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