Why my post was deleted?

I liked the comment from the British guy that said if the British had not overrun the place, Indian would still be a bunch of tribes with multiple languages, currencyies, and backward forms of government.

The goverment may be backward, but better than Tony Blair government I guess. UK soldiers are invloved in abusing Iraqi prisoners and where are weapons of mass destruction ? Blair has fooled his people, right?
[ June 15, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]

You r missing a basic point here. Goa was never a Portuguese teritory; Portuguese ppl invaded goa back in 16th century when they visited india. Goa originally belonged to indian subcontinent. ppl living there were indians; so they had all the rights to choose their ruler as indian and not Portuguese.

You are right. Goa belonged to India.

Max: yep, you figured us out.
But let's pretend we are fairminded. Drop me a note with your points, and I'll give it a second consideration.


Mapraputa Is :To Homer Phillips: please, quit posting provocations. One is more than enough.

Good...
so moderators found that homer's posts are offensive...

Originally posted by Homer Phillips:
I will say I think the Indian subcontinent has in some ways been made a better place by colonial powers.

better place .. .. yes.. poor country (thats what brit did)is always better place to donate money.

And I think that if british have not ruled Indian sub-continent then they would have been living still in misery and fighting with Farnce.

I liked the comment from the British guy that said if the British had not overrun the place, Indian would still be a bunch of tribes with multiple languages, currencyies, and backward forms of government.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge .... now I know what kind and how much knowledge you have.

BTW, I will still prefer to be called tribal if I have lot of money.

Sometime back I was reading about "Subash Chandra Bose" .. I was shocked the way on one site(brit site) he was projected.

AW its never your fault.

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
The goverment may be backward, but better than Tony Blair government I guess. UK soldiers are invloved in abusing Iraqi prisoners and where are weapons of mass destruction ? Blair has fooled his people, right?

Before we offend our British Ranchers, quick correction to this Pradeep, British soldiers were not involved in abuse of Iraq prisoners, what was reported was a set-up by some tabloid paper to boost their subscription, they apologised to the nation.

Average Brits are good people, so are Americans, just that there are some spoilsports between them to make them look really bad! (some of them post inflammatory comments here, just because they enjoy it)!

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


You are right. Goa belonged to India.

Conquest is a well established way to achieve ownership...
At some point Italy belonged to Greece, so did Turkey.
I don't see the Greeks claiming they want Italy and Turkey back?
Most of Europe belonged to Italy at some point, and to France, and to Spain, and to Turkey, and to Germany.
Does that mean we're all to go back to being part of the Roman empire?
Or maybe the Greek empire seeing as they are the true owners of Rome (Rome having been founded by refugees from Troy according to legend where Troy was a dissident Greek city)?

Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:

I don't see the Greeks claiming they want Italy and Turkey back?

It was ppl from goa who wanted indian ruler..or who wanted to get dissolved in india and not the indian government foced them. As far italy and turkey is concerned, i guess , ppl from italy r ruling italy. and ppl from turkry have formed the government there. The basic difference here is the government belongs to the ppl there. Outsiders are/were not ruling these countries.

This was not the case with india/goa. indian/goan ppl did not have any say in the government formed/ruled by british and protugese ppl. for more than hundred yrs, these ppl treated indian as their slaves. I am not being offensive to anybody here...but this is the fact and thats why we had to have a freedom struggle...to form our own government...formed by us ...ruled by us!

If ppl do not know anything abt our history and freedom struggle, then they shd not make statements like "india overrun goa". The fact is : outsiders invaded india and goa.
[ June 15, 2004: Message edited by: Rashmi Tambe ]

Portugal should return back all the gold etc they stole from Goa.

Conquest is a well established way to achieve ownership...

Thanks for the info. India liberated Goa from Portugal rule.

Thanks India for liberating Goa from Portuguese.
[ June 15, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]

Originally posted by Ashok Mash:


Before we offend our British Ranchers, quick correction to this Pradeep, British soldiers were not involved in abuse of Iraq prisoners, what was reported was a set-up by some tabloid paper to boost their subscription, they apologised to the nation.

Sorry for that!

I dont see aplogy coming from members who posted inflammatory comments (againist India). Their posts are not edited or deleted either.

I will say I think the Indian subcontinent has in some ways been made a better place by colonial powers.

How do you know that? Did you come to India 300 years back.

Originally posted by Rashmi Tambe:

It was ppl from goa who wanted indian ruler..or who wanted to get dissolved in india and not the indian government foced them. As far italy and turkey is concerned, i guess , ppl from italy r ruling italy. and ppl from turkry have formed the government there. The basic difference here is the government belongs to the ppl there. Outsiders are/were not ruling these countries.
[ June 15, 2004: Message edited by: Rashmi Tambe ]

The people ruling Turkey now are foreign invaders (from around the area now called Turkmenistan) from the middle ages who all but exterminated the original inhabitants (who are more closely related to the Greeks).
Therefore according to your logic Turkey should revert to Greece...

Why are we discussing about Goa here ?

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Why are we discussing about Goa here ?

How about discussioing TOI ?

Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:


The people ruling Turkey now are foreign invaders (from around the area now called Turkmenistan) from the middle ages who all but exterminated the original inhabitants (who are more closely related to the Greeks).
Therefore according to your logic Turkey should revert to Greece...

This isn't my logic
This is what happened in goa in 1960; as it had a forign rule not ruled by local goan ppl.

So is the govenment formed in turkey belong to those ppl from Turkmenistan who invaded turkey? local and real turkey ppl dont have any powers in government? do the ppl from from Turkmenistan have special rights? are they insulting/humiliating the local/real turkeys? If yes, then it is called a "foriegn rule". If not, then probably u cannot make out the difference between the turkey society as they r totally mixed by now. in the later case, it not a foriegn rule.

As i already explained goan ppl did not have any powers in government. potugese humiliated/insulted/ruled goan ppl for yrs. It was not a goan govenrment, but a portugese government...and thats the basic diff. If u still do not u'stand the difference, read the history of goa, u'll better u'stand it...

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Why are we discussing about Goa here ?

Shows how gullible some Indian Ranchers are! We fell for the evil intentions of Homer P, and lost the original thread or argument. At the expense taxpayers some of first world country, certain individuals like Homer goes on ranting about innocent Indian ranchers. And as usual, the mods are 'helpless' because they "fail" to notice anything wrong from the Homer and the like - after all, Indians fell for it, and how can anyone blames mods for that!!

Originally posted by Paul McKenna:

Second, I am not a "right-winger" in the way you [i]perhaps[/p] meant it. I am a Conservative. The Conservative philosophy happens to lie on the right side of the spectrum but so does Fascism. The term "right-winger" more often than not is applied to fascists, which I am not. This is a distinct difference to bear in mind, though I admit it is often the subject of much confusion as you have too many fascists disguising themselves as conservatives.

It depends on if you see "right wing" as being anything to the right of centre, or being the extreme end of the "right" spectrum. I'd be inclined to say the former - that you are a right-winger, but to whole heartedly agree that this does not mean that you are a fascist. In the same way, I would call my self a "left-winger", although my view is only just left of centre, and is most definatly not communist (as many left-wingers are accused of being, in a similar way to right-wingers being accused of being fascists).

I think this highlights the flaws in the lift-right wing idea - its just not flexible enough to contain all of the different common view points. What's probably better (although a bit more of a pain to explain) is a two dimensional view (like in the political compass thread) or three dimensional.

We will call them PM(partial moderators) .

It depends on if you see "right wing" as being anything to the right of centre, or being the extreme end of the "right" spectrum. I'd be inclined to say the former - that you are a right-winger, but to whole heartedly agree that this does not mean that you are a fascist. In the same way, I would call my self a "left-winger", although my view is only just left of centre, and is most definatly not communist (as many left-wingers are accused of being, in a similar way to right-wingers being accused of being fascists).

ie this:

|----------C==========|
Where C is centre, "-" is left wing and "=" is right wing, rather than:

|-.........C.........=|
[ June 15, 2004: Message edited by: Joe King ]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Why are we discussing about Goa here ?

Doctor Hommer Philips from USA tried to look beyond his county first time in his life and the rest is history.

Originally posted by Varun Khanna:


How about discussioing TOI ?

I wont discuss unless you stop buying it.

Originally posted by Ashok Mash:


Shows how gullible some Indian Ranchers are! We fell for the evil intentions of Homer P, and lost the original thread or argument. At the expense taxpayers some of first world country, certain individuals like Homer goes on ranting about innocent Indian ranchers. And as usual, the mods are 'helpless' because they "fail" to notice anything wrong from the Homer and the like - after all, Indians fell for it, and how can anyone blames mods for that!!

True...
agreed...some times, some discussions get carried away a lot that losses the original intentions of the discussion.
some times, i feel, indian ppl are made target from any such cause unnecessary, may it be a thread of amul milk products or outsourcing or any damn thing...indians r always targetted...

Where is Mr.cap? :roll:

PMK: First, the identity of the poster does matter..., the debate can continue pointlessly. [/b]

I know, he claimed to have read a previous post about it. That means he must have read subsequent replies too. And if he did not learn anything there, he won't learn anything here either. That's why I tried to divert it with humor, but now I think am not really good at it.


The term "right-winger" more often than not is applied to fascists, which I am not.

Oh! I thought right-winger in today's age meant conservative + libertarian. Anyways, I certainly did not mean to call you or Homer a fascist; come on, you could trust me that much atleast!


PMK: Finally, ... he is by no means a "friend in disguise".

Yeah, I realized it later, where it hit you harder. I should have put a wink over there. Edited the post a couple of times with different emoticons in the para above to make it look humorous, but i forgot over there. Sorry, about that.


HT: Like the humour. India continues despite all of the above.
Aaah, So I am not that bad after all. See....

Originally posted by Ashok Mash:
And as usual, the mods are 'helpless' because they "fail" to notice anything wrong from the Homer and the like - after all, Indians fell for it, and how can anyone blames mods for that!!

As an Indian, I may disagree with Homer Phillips, but he has his right to say what he wants. Just as much as we have the right to reply whatever we want.

But to accuse the moderators of being unfair is simply preposterous. I have seen several Indian ranchers make terrible statements about US and these have also been allowed to stand. One only needs to search through MD archives to find such..

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


I wont discuss unless you stop buying it.

did u said stop buying TOI???
Even if u r not interested in its magazine section which provides lots of nice inspring photos. As a s/w developer i find ascent as the best place to find company jobs. so there are 2 good reasons to read TOI.
As for political news, who cares

Originally posted by Prakash Dwivedi:


did u said stop buying TOI???
Even if u r not interested in its magazine section which provides lots of nice inspring photos. As a s/w developer i find ascent as the best place to find company jobs. so there are 2 good reasons to read TOI.
As for political news, who cares

I feel that javaranchers who buy TOI should be banned .
[ June 16, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


I feel that javaranchers who buy TOI should be banned .

[ June 16, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]

why r we discussing TOI here?

Rashmi,
Which news paper do you read ?

She reads Loksatta.

Originally posted by Arjun Shastry:
She reads Loksatta.

Welcome back Cap . You havent posted since few days, were you on a trip to Iraq?

Originally posted by Arjun Shastry:
She reads Loksatta.

ahh....arjun (urf Cap urf Ram abdulah ...urf... mannn what is real name? ) , how do u know that read loksatta?

Pradeep, what do u prefer? i like sakal...being in pune, its the best way to keep up to current events in pune....then i do read TOI, India today...but i find the best current updates on rediff...so i always preffer that...
[ June 17, 2004: Message edited by: Rashmi Tambe ]

Internationally reconginised English newspaper from India is www.hindu.com.Majority of folks from embassies in India read Hindu.Sakal is not a bad newspaper.Its very descent and polite.Never criticizes harshly.Only the minus point is it belongs to one Maharashtra's political bigwig.Similar is the case of Deccan Herald in Bangalore.Hindustan Times from Delhi was also a good newspaper once,but now going TOI way.It used to belong to one of the richest family in India.

Rashmi,


Why do you read TOi?

Even if u r not interested in its magazine section which provides lots of nice inspring photos

Buy two TOI daily, it will give you more inspiration.

For TOI and its "editors"(aka head eaters)


[ June 17, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
....

What happened to that 'maximum 8 imoticons/images per post' rule?

Originally posted by Ashok Mash:


What happened to that 'maximum 8 imoticons/images per post' rule?

That was removed long back.

Hindustan Times from Delhi was also a good newspaper once,but now going TOI way.It used to belong to one of the richest family in India.

Not surprising because Indians do not want news but only pics.
Very soon I may not have a news paper to read.

Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:


Conquest is a well established way to achieve ownership...

If we follow this logic the dutch had no right to start a rebellion against Habsburg* rule in the Netherlands around 1590/1600

* family of noblemen from Austria who controlled Austria, Spain, the Netherlands and parts of Germany, before Jeroens forefathers started a rebellion against the foreign rule.

Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
Conquest is a well established way to achieve ownership...

Oh yeah, and its still in practice too!

Originally posted by Ashok Mash:


What happened to that 'maximum 8 imoticons/images per post' rule?

I think it was "maximum 8 unique imoticons/images per post"