Timeline for Unilateral closure by moderator
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| Nov 20, 2013 at 8:13 | comment | added | Willie Wong Mod | Lastly, one may argue that by having rejected migrations the process potentially generates more noise on MO. Imagine a user going to MO, asks a subpar question, which is migrated here, and then close, and so gets bounced back to MO. Unless someone has left a comment for said user that his question may belong better on MSE, it is likely that the user may still not know that this site exists at all, and that the next time he should ask it here instead of there. But this is just hypothetical, of course. | |
| Nov 20, 2013 at 8:09 | comment | added | Willie Wong Mod | @zyx: I should add that in general (MO and MSE are somewhat exceptional, but the following applies to migrations to and from other sites) one of the criteria for opening up migration paths to non-moderator users is that the sites demonstrate that they are aware what is on-topic and not on the target site. This is achieved by having many suggested migrations that the moderators act on and that which do not get rejected. | |
| Nov 20, 2013 at 8:04 | comment | added | Willie Wong Mod | @zyx: I am not saying that MO should be poked about our ever changing tastes. I am saying that some minimum level of flood control can be applied on the end of the source of the migration. The notion "if the question is so bad that a quick fix cannot make it better" is of course subjective, but most of us do have a good idea of the non-borderline cases. | |
| Nov 20, 2013 at 1:45 | comment | added | zyx | @WillieWong, from what I have seen, MO is not dumping any trash, it is migrating exactly the intersection of (mathematical question) and (perceived to be 'below research level'). The first condition makes the migrated question on-topic for MSE and the second, out of scope for MO. Fine tuning beyond that to suit MSE is a problem for MSE and it is not likely that MO users will know the ever changing and continually debated tastes on MSE (latest trend: close minimally imprecise questions as "not clear what you are asking"). | |
| Nov 19, 2013 at 9:40 | comment | added | Willie Wong Mod | @user103402: if the question is so bad that a quick fix cannot make it better, than the question ought to be closed as off-topic outright without migrating it to MSE. As it stands, you are telling MO to dump their trash on us and have those problems pollute our main page. | |
| Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 | comment | added | Willie Wong Mod | @CarlMummert: that is why Moderators have access to statistics of rejected migrations. We are expected to learn from past experiences. | |
| Nov 19, 2013 at 2:01 | comment | added | user103402 | @WillieWong That ideal is rather far from reality. If MO waits until misguided posters fix their questions (which in many cases will never happen) their front page will be a purgatory of misplaced and malformed homework questions. Especially because edits, whether or not they succeed in bringing a question to shape, will bump it. There is already a legitimate concern that the current level of inappropriate posts is putting experts off MO. On an expert-level site where the traffic is naturally slower, misplaced questions can easily spoil the atmosphere. | |
| Nov 19, 2013 at 1:45 | comment | added | Carl Mummert | @Willie Wong: I am not sure we can expect MO moderators (who may not be active here) to know whether a question is in acceptable form before it is sent here. Also, in this case, based on the closure reason, the OP needed to edit the question, rather than someone else. | |
| Nov 18, 2013 at 8:50 | comment | added | Willie Wong Mod | @CarlMummert: that any closure of migrated question other than duplicate will result in rejected migration is "by design" (to use the SE terminology), and people have tried to make it known on MO. Essentially it is explained by the link that Lord_Farin gave. Ideally before any migration the question should first be edited into a form where it will be acceptable on the target site. | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 14:24 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | @Brian: Wasn't clear to me, is all I'm sayin'. :-) | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 14:21 | comment | added | Brian M. Scott | @Asaf: I think that it’s clear as it stands: such a decision obviously refers to the general category of decision described by example in the question and in general terms in its title. | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 14:18 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | @Brian: Then you should perhaps slightly edit the question. It feels to me that it focuses too much on that particular case. | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 13:55 | comment | added | Brian M. Scott | @Asaf: What thread are you talking about? My question is explicitly about (one aspect of) what is acceptable behavior for moderators. | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 13:30 | comment | added | Carl Mummert | This question is certainly on-scope for MSE, and MO was correct to migrate it here. But it fails our community standards for expositions, so it is correct for us to put it on hold here until it is improved. The only error is in the system returning it to MO when we put it on hold here. | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 11:58 | comment | added | user14972 | @Lord_Farin: I would be unsurprised if there was widespread opinion at MO that MSE wants crap. | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 10:06 | comment | added | Lord_Farin | Upon further reading: MO would do well to heed the MSO advice "Do not migrate crap! Ever." | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 9:59 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | @zyx: If it bothers you, start a meta thread on the behavior of the moderators. This thread is certainly not aimed at that. Finally, my request that you refrain from conversing with me still stands, and I expect you to respect it. I shan't reply to you again. | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 9:27 | comment | added | Lord_Farin | My conclusion: The consequences of closing a migrated question are stupid. They should only occur when a special close reason "this post shouldn't have been migrated here" was used. | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 9:13 | comment | added | zyx | @AsafKaragila, there has been at least one current moderator who has done a lot of non-fifth closings. I have not checked if it is still going on, but it is not a safe assumption that the absence of meta threads means it has not been happening. | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 9:04 | comment | added | Asaf Karagila Mod | +1 on the general post; -2 for the second conclusion. I find it unfair to mixedmath, and the moderators in general who generally avoid casting their votes (or at least not as fifth votes). Had a particular moderator been acting unilaterally so much that such comment would be acceptable, I'm sure that the meta would have been swarming with the topic by now. | |
| Nov 16, 2013 at 2:52 | history | answered | user103402 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |