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I thinkProof of Fact 1 is false(for any product).

Let $X=Y$$\{ X_i \}_{i\in I}$ be any irreduciblea family of non-empty sober space with generic point $\eta$spaces. Let $f : X\to Y$$F$ be a surjective continuous map and consider the graph $\Gamma_f \subset X\times Y$closed irreducible subset of $f$$X:=\prod_i X_i$. It is homeomorphic toBy replacing $X$, hence irreducible. If$X_i$ with the closure of the projection of $\Gamma_f$ has a generic point$F$ in $(x_0, x_1)$$X_i$, aswe can suppose $\Gamma_f$ projects onto the two factors of$F\to X_i$ has dense image for all $X\times X$, then$i$.

I claim that $x_0=x_1=\eta$$F=X$. SoIf $\Gamma_f$$\eta_i$ is the closuregeneric point of $\{ (\eta, \eta)\}$. This implies that $\Gamma_f$$X_i$, hencethen it is clear that $f$, are independent$(\eta_i)_i$ is the generic point of $f$$X$. So there is only one surjective continuous maplet's prove the claim. Suppose the open subset $X\to X$, which$X\setminus F$ is obviously fase in generalnon-empty. This also shows thatThen it contains a product $$X\setminus F \supseteq U_{i_1}\times \cdots \times U_{i_n} \times \prod_{i\ne i_1,..., i_n} X_i$$ with non-empty open subsets $X\times Y$$U_{i_j}\subseteq X_{i_j}$. So $F$ is always never sobercovered by finitely many closed subsets of $X$: $$ F\subseteq \cup_{1\le j\le n} Z_{i_j}\times \prod_{i\ne i_j} X_i$$ where $Z_{i_j}=X_{i_j}\setminus U_{i_j}$.

Note that As $F$ is irreducible, it is contained in algebraic geometryone of them, say $$ F\subseteq Z_{i_1}\times \prod_{i\ne i_1} X_i.$$ But then the projection of (fiber) product$F$ to $X_{i_1}$ is sobernot dense. There is no contradiction with the above reasonning because $(\eta, \eta)$ doesn't correspond to one point in the product, but a big subspaceContradiction.

I think Fact 1 is false.

Let $X=Y$ be any irreducible sober space with generic point $\eta$. Let $f : X\to Y$ be a surjective continuous map and consider the graph $\Gamma_f \subset X\times Y$ of $f$. It is homeomorphic to $X$, hence irreducible. If $\Gamma_f$ has a generic point $(x_0, x_1)$, as $\Gamma_f$ projects onto the two factors of $X\times X$, then $x_0=x_1=\eta$. So $\Gamma_f$ is the closure of $\{ (\eta, \eta)\}$. This implies that $\Gamma_f$, hence $f$, are independent of $f$. So there is only one surjective continuous map $X\to X$, which is obviously fase in general. This also shows that a product $X\times Y$ is always never sober.

Note that in algebraic geometry, the (fiber) product is sober. There is no contradiction with the above reasonning because $(\eta, \eta)$ doesn't correspond to one point in the product, but a big subspace.

Proof of Fact 1 (for any product).

Let $\{ X_i \}_{i\in I}$ be a family of non-empty sober spaces. Let $F$ be a closed irreducible subset of $X:=\prod_i X_i$. By replacing $X_i$ with the closure of the projection of $F$ in $X_i$, we can suppose $F\to X_i$ has dense image for all $i$.

I claim that $F=X$. If $\eta_i$ is the generic point of $X_i$, then it is clear that $(\eta_i)_i$ is the generic point of $X$. So let's prove the claim. Suppose the open subset $X\setminus F$ is non-empty. Then it contains a product $$X\setminus F \supseteq U_{i_1}\times \cdots \times U_{i_n} \times \prod_{i\ne i_1,..., i_n} X_i$$ with non-empty open subsets $U_{i_j}\subseteq X_{i_j}$. So $F$ is covered by finitely many closed subsets of $X$: $$ F\subseteq \cup_{1\le j\le n} Z_{i_j}\times \prod_{i\ne i_j} X_i$$ where $Z_{i_j}=X_{i_j}\setminus U_{i_j}$. As $F$ is irreducible, it is contained in one of them, say $$ F\subseteq Z_{i_1}\times \prod_{i\ne i_1} X_i.$$ But then the projection of $F$ to $X_{i_1}$ is not dense. Contradiction.

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I think Fact 1 is false.

Let $X=Y$ be any infinite irreducible sober space with generic point $\eta$. Let $f : X\to Y$ be a surjective continuous map and consider the graph $\Gamma_f \subset X\times Y$ of $f$. It is homeomorphic to $X$, hence irreducible. If $\Gamma_f$ has a generic point $(x_0, x_1)$, as $\Gamma_f$ projects onto the two factors of $X\times X$, then $x_0=x_1=\eta$. So $\Gamma_f$ is the closure of $\{ (\eta, \eta)\}$. This implies that $\Gamma_f$, hence $f$, are independent of $f$. So there is only one surjective continuous map $X\to X$, which is obviously fase in general. This also shows that a product ($X$$X\times Y$ is infinite)always never sober.

Note that in algebraic geometry, the (fiber) product is sober. TheresThere is no contradiction with the above reasonning because $(\eta, \eta)$ doesn't correspond to one point in the product, but a big subspace.

I think Fact 1 is false.

Let $X=Y$ be any infinite irreducible sober space with generic point $\eta$. Let $f : X\to Y$ be a surjective continuous map and consider the graph $\Gamma_f \subset X\times Y$ of $f$. It is homeomorphic to $X$, hence irreducible. If $\Gamma_f$ has a generic point $(x_0, x_1)$, as $\Gamma_f$ projects onto the two factors of $X\times X$, then $x_0=x_1=\eta$. So $\Gamma_f$ is the closure of $\{ (\eta, \eta)\}$. This implies that $\Gamma_f$, hence $f$, are independent of $f$, which is obviously fase ($X$ is infinite).

Note that in algebraic geometry, the (fiber) product is sober. Theres no contradiction with the above reasonning because $(\eta, \eta)$ doesn't correspond to one point in the product, but a big subspace.

I think Fact 1 is false.

Let $X=Y$ be any irreducible sober space with generic point $\eta$. Let $f : X\to Y$ be a surjective continuous map and consider the graph $\Gamma_f \subset X\times Y$ of $f$. It is homeomorphic to $X$, hence irreducible. If $\Gamma_f$ has a generic point $(x_0, x_1)$, as $\Gamma_f$ projects onto the two factors of $X\times X$, then $x_0=x_1=\eta$. So $\Gamma_f$ is the closure of $\{ (\eta, \eta)\}$. This implies that $\Gamma_f$, hence $f$, are independent of $f$. So there is only one surjective continuous map $X\to X$, which is obviously fase in general. This also shows that a product $X\times Y$ is always never sober.

Note that in algebraic geometry, the (fiber) product is sober. There is no contradiction with the above reasonning because $(\eta, \eta)$ doesn't correspond to one point in the product, but a big subspace.

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I think Fact 1 is false.

Let $X=Y$ be any infinite irreducible sober space with generic point $\eta$. Let $f : X\to Y$ be a surjective continuous map and consider the graph $\Gamma_f \subset X\times Y$ of $f$. It is homeomorphic to $X$, hence irreducible. If $\Gamma_f$ has a generic point $(x_0, x_1)$, as $\Gamma_f$ projects onto the two factors of $X\times X$, then $x_0=x_1=\eta$. So $\Gamma_f$ is the closure of $\{ (\eta, \eta)\}$. This implies that $\Gamma_f$, hence $f$, are independent of $f$, which is obviously fase ($X$ is infinite).

Note that in algebraic geometry, the (fiber) product is sober. Theres no contradiction with the above reasonning because $(\eta, \eta)$ doesn't correspond to one point in the product, but a big subspace.