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I am stuck in the following problem:

Consider the vector space $\Bbb R^{2016}$ over the field $\Bbb R$. Then,

"What is the smallest positive integer $k$ for which the following statement is true: given any $k$ vectors $v_1, . . . , v_k ∈ $$\Bbb R^{2016}$, there exist real numbers $a_1, . . . , a_k$, not all zero, such that $a_1v_1 + · · · + a_kv_k$ = $0$ and $a_1 + · · · + a_k$ = $0$."

any help would be appreciated...

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  • $\begingroup$ What if you turn the question around: what's the largest number of linearly independent vectors? Can you answer that? Does that help you answer the original question? $\endgroup$ Commented May 9, 2017 at 17:03
  • $\begingroup$ then how would it satisfy the first condition..??? $\endgroup$ Commented May 9, 2017 at 17:13
  • $\begingroup$ then all the coefficients have to be zero... $\endgroup$ Commented May 9, 2017 at 17:13
  • $\begingroup$ OK - let's try it differently: forget the second condition for a moment - what can you say about $k$? $\endgroup$ Commented May 9, 2017 at 20:56
  • $\begingroup$ Then definitely k=2017 will be the correct answer. $\endgroup$ Commented May 10, 2017 at 11:18

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Firstly, notice that $k>2016$. If $k\leq2016$ then you may pick $v_1,v_2,\cdots,v_k$ linearly independent. Hence, you cannot possibly have $a_1v_1+a_2v_2+\cdots+a_k v_k=0$ where not all $a_i$ are zero.

Now, if $k=2017$ take $e_i$ $1\leq i \leq 2017$ the canonical base, and $u=\sum_{i=1}^{2016}e_i$. Therefore, $$\sum_{i=1}^{2016}b_ie_i +bu = \sum_{i=1}^{2016}(b_i+b)e_i=0$$ implies that $b_i=-b,\forall i$. So $\sum_{i=1}^{2016}b_i +b= -2015b$. So, the require condition fails.

For $k=2018$, pick any $w_1,w_2,\cdots,w_{2018}$ define $f:\mathbb{R}^{2018} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^{2016}$ as follows. $f(e_i) =w_i $. The kernel of $f$ has dimension at least $2$. Let $v_1,v_2 \in \text{Ker}( f)$ be two linearly independent vectors.

Now, define $g:\mathbb{R}^{2018} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ $g(e_i)=1$. And take $h=g_{|<v_1,v_2>}$ the restriction of $g$ on the space spanned by $v_1,v_2$. Since $<v_1,v_2>$ has dimension $2$ the kernel of $h$ is non trivial let's say it is spanned by $w=l_1v_1+l_2v_2$. Then $g(w)$ is the sum of the $a_i$ which is equal to zero, and also $f(w)$ is a non trivial sum of the $w_i$.

So we conclude.

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  • $\begingroup$ great answer.....@clark $\endgroup$ Commented May 10, 2017 at 11:13
  • $\begingroup$ But I want to clear one more doubt that f(w) will be a non trivial sum of the $w_i$ because we have more than one choice for $w$ as kernel of 'h' is of atleast one dimension. $\endgroup$ Commented May 10, 2017 at 11:16

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