Timeline for How to give exercises when students can use ChatGPT
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| Mar 26, 2023 at 19:03 | comment | added | allo | @AlanWhitteaker Indeed. One never can prevent everything, but one can try to discourage the lazy way. | |
| Mar 26, 2023 at 17:22 | comment | added | Xander Henderson♦ | The SE software is throwing a lot of flags here about there being too many comments.Because it seems that GPT and generative AI are of broader interest, I have also created a ChatGPT in Mathematics Education chatroom where we might be able to continue the discussion. | |
| Mar 26, 2023 at 16:58 | comment | added | Alan Whitteaker | @allo There is still the problem that a student who starts learning from the pool a few days before the exam won't have enough time without having done exercises during the semester. I don't think much more can be done by you in this case. This simply boils down to the self-discipline of the student, and I feel you are doing your part in guiding them along the way. With respect to the feedback, you could keep an online feedback form open and continuously remind them to input their suggestions anonymously. Lastly, it may be helpful if you could show the students how to use GPT responsibly. | |
| Mar 26, 2023 at 16:50 | comment | added | Alan Whitteaker | @MahdiMajidi-Zolbanin I wasn't aware of mastery based testing, but now having read about it I see the issue of students gleaning off the best answers from the high performing students, altering them and passing them off as their own. Khan Academy uses this concept, but I feel that it works much better in cases of self-study and no-stakes grading. | |
| Mar 26, 2023 at 16:23 | comment | added | allo | The importance of the exercises is evident from the simple fact that we use the same pool of exercises for the exams. The basic idea is that a student who solves all the exercises has learned what the course is supposed to teach. We provide the full pool of possible questions and only change the numbers and some details for the exam, so that one cannot just memorize the numbers, but needs to have understood the solution. There is still the problem that a student who starts learning from the pool a few days before the exam won't have enough time without having done exercises during the semester | |
| Mar 26, 2023 at 16:16 | comment | added | allo | I'd like to answer more than the Q&A format allows. So let's just answer the important points. I think the prof does a good job of teaching and is willing to adjust throughout the semester, always asking for feedback if he should go slower or faster. We get less feedback than we would like because we want to give the best lecture possible. The exercise groups are mostly used to present the solutions of the exercise sheets and then answer questions about the lecture, the exercises, and the new sheet. They last up to 2 hours, but often more like 1 hour if there are no more questions. | |
| Mar 25, 2023 at 15:11 | comment | added | Mahdi Majidi-Zolbanin | @AlanWhitteaker But of course, the test retake will not have the same exact questions as the previous one. The goal is to see whether the student has sufficiently improved or not. Sometimes this is called Mastery-based testing if you want to look it up. | |
| Mar 25, 2023 at 15:10 | comment | added | Mahdi Majidi-Zolbanin | @AlanWhitteaker You can think of every assignment, every test as work in progress. Students can revise their work until the semester ends. Nothing is final until the semester ends (which is an artificial deadline imposed by the educational system). At the end, they do count towards the grade, but it is up to each student to improve their work (assignments, tests, etc.). If a student wants to improve, the opportunity exists, they can redo each assignment or test. Think of each test as the first draft, not the final draft. Students keep working on the topics to revise the first draft. | |
| Mar 25, 2023 at 10:20 | comment | added | ryang | but I'm assuming people know to at least check everything it spews out, and treat its output as one of their articles of research, rather as their final esssay or even a template for it. | |
| Mar 25, 2023 at 10:20 | comment | added | ryang | @PeterMortensen "How do you handle ChatGPT sometimes giving completely wrong information?" Don't you use chatGPT as a tool (rather than as a proxy) and in conjunction with the usual critical evaluation that you apply when doing any kind of research (especially on the internet) or when using a calculator? $\quad$ chatGPT is damn useful for taking the chore out of research, organising and writing (which is why I asserted under Xander's answer that these are the skills it will most atrophy), | |
| Mar 25, 2023 at 9:53 | comment | added | Dominique | ChatGPT gives you something of which you have no clue whether it is true or not, which makes it completely useless, it's as simple as that. | |
| Mar 25, 2023 at 6:52 | comment | added | Alan Whitteaker | @PeterMortensen With respect to your comments, I think that you should give it a bit more time. Until now, I try to minimize errors as far as possible by going through the output myself, by asking to the same question several times, by explicitly telling it that it has errors in its output without even analysing myself for errors, and so on. Also, just recently OpenAI has introduced plugins that let it access the web, as well as more reputed services like WolframAlpha. This lets lets state verified sources and references as well. | |
| Mar 25, 2023 at 6:41 | comment | added | Alan Whitteaker | @MahdiMajidi-Zolbanin I'm assuming that you're talking about retests? There is nothing wrong with that, but I'm not sure whether students would want to take them again if they don't count towards a grade. But I'm not quite sure about what you mean. | |
| S Mar 25, 2023 at 6:36 | history | suggested | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 4.0 | Copy edited (e.g. ref. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChatGPT> and <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_clause_structure#Run-on_sentences>). Removed unnecessary formatting (as a result, the diff looks more extensive than it really is - use view "Side-by-side Markdown" to compare). |
| Mar 24, 2023 at 21:39 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Re "ChatGPT has been absolutely wonderful for me": How do you handle ChatGPT sometimes giving completely wrong information? | |
| Mar 24, 2023 at 21:35 | review | Suggested edits | |||
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| Mar 24, 2023 at 19:37 | comment | added | Mahdi Majidi-Zolbanin | "This is a quick fix at best. There is always going to be further developments that will minimize errors. You should be looking at a long term solution." I don't think I can ever trust AI to give me the correct answer to a question that I don't know how to answer. It looks like AI is making a lot of mistake (and will always make them). Sure, if you ask again, it may change the answer and possibly correct it, but to do that, one has to know that the first answer was not correct. | |
| Mar 24, 2023 at 18:53 | comment | added | Mahdi Majidi-Zolbanin | "Please do not. There is nothing more irritating for a student than constantly having to give graded tests when very little material has been covered between the tests." What if these tests are not graded for a grade, but are viewed as work in progress and students can have multiple attempts to improve each test result (if needed) after more practice? | |
| S Mar 24, 2023 at 17:39 | review | First answers | |||
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| S Mar 24, 2023 at 17:39 | history | answered | Alan Whitteaker | CC BY-SA 4.0 |