Timeline for Are there specific issues with unwelcoming behavior toward LGBTQ persons on Stack Exchange?
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| Oct 11, 2019 at 6:34 | comment | added | PoorYorick | @bzklrm Nobody here says they don't care about this issue at all. People care about different aspects of it. Monica cared about being forced to write in a way she didn't like without seeing the benefits of it in comparison to what she was doing. Caleb, who is strangely seen as a bad guy here, cared about his way of moderating people of different believes without enforcing one viewpoint as the "right" one. Everyone I've seen here cares about making people feel welcome. They just have different ways to go about it. | |
| Oct 10, 2019 at 7:14 | comment | added | Andrew | "Monica was fired ... because they refused to use preferred pronouns." Assumes facts not in evidence. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334248/… | |
| Oct 4, 2019 at 11:52 | comment | added | user612952 | @StrongBad This answer appears to be wrong. Monica was fired because she referred to everyone by avoiding pronouns. She treated them the same way as everyone else. That was considered "misgendering". Could you explain why you think you deserve special treatment, rather than actual equality? | |
| Oct 4, 2019 at 10:47 | comment | added | Ian Kemp - SE killed by LLMs | "Monica was fired... because [she] refused to use preferred pronouns" - as far as I'm aware, this is incorrect: Monica questioned CoC changes that mandated the use of preferred pronouns, and got canned as a result. | |
| Oct 2, 2019 at 17:30 | comment | added | Victor Stafusa | @KonradRudolph No one said that gender differences in feeling part of the community don’t matter. But I agree that both sides are statistically illiterate. My point is that SE claimed that "We know because they tell us." and StrongBat took that as a granted truth when that due to that statistically illiteracy, the correct statement would be "We don't know anything but pretend that we do because we made wrong biased questions and misinterpreted the data in order to produce fake numbers that supports our beliefs". | |
| Oct 2, 2019 at 14:51 | comment | added | DaveG | If it's hard to show examples of unwelcoming behavior because such are deleted, doesn't that mean that things are working properly? Wouldn't it be worse if people signed in and ran into bigoted posts and comments? | |
| Oct 2, 2019 at 8:56 | comment | added | Konrad Rudolph | @VictorStafusa The answer you link to is, I assume, relatively typical. But this is unrelated to gender. The fact that there’s a clear gender disparity in the whether people feel as part of the community is absolutely not explained by the personal anecdote of a few people. In fact, the answer’s reference to “most women” is in itself clearly sexist. Either way it’s a complete non-sequitur to conclude that gender differences in feeling part of the community don’t matter, and additionally statistically illiterate. | |
| Oct 2, 2019 at 0:55 | history | edited | StrongBad | CC BY-SA 4.0 | Added a link to really offensive stuff |
| Oct 1, 2019 at 22:47 | comment | added | Victor Stafusa | What is your opinion about this? Not that I'm against you or anything like that, but SE seems to had done a pretty bad job on drawing the conclusions that you're using to build up your answer. | |
| Oct 1, 2019 at 19:26 | comment | added | StrongBad | @RobertColumbia I think the question is great. Thank you. you will get your share of down votes, but hopefully it will actually get some constructive answers. | |
| Oct 1, 2019 at 19:18 | comment | added | Robert Columbia | @StrongBad I went ahead and asked the question, and it's at -1. Are you sure that was a good idea? I'm also questioning the "justify their hurts" idea. Our system of justice is based on that - that someone comes before the judge, or society, etc., explains what happened to them, and says what they need to have happen for justice to be served. It's not right for someone to be forced to be repeatedly interrogated in a hot room over the same facts over and over. It's another thing to ask them to concisely explain the problem so that others can start to develop understanding or even empathy. | |
| Oct 1, 2019 at 18:48 | comment | added | Marco13 | I'm implicitly asking the question "I want to know how I can help" by visiting the site daily, and posting helpful answers wherever I can. And yes, I'm implicitly extending that question with "...and I don't care whether you are LGBT+ or not, because it is totally none of my business". But if someone only says "I have a problem", refuses to say what the problem is, and accuses everybody who dares to ask this question of bigotry or ignorance, then this is in no way productive. The answer by nvoigt summarizes this perfectly, IMHO. | |
| Oct 1, 2019 at 18:36 | comment | added | StrongBad | @RobertColumbia so ask the question LGBT+ users I hear you and want to know how I can help | |
| Oct 1, 2019 at 18:35 | comment | added | StrongBad | Ask that question I'm so confused over the nature of unwelcoming behavior. If I can't figure out what is happening because it gets deleted quickly, there's little I can do to work toward preventing future occurrences and you can have all my meta points in bounties. That is a friendly and welcoming question. This current question is asking the abused to defend and justify their hurts. We don't deserve that level of effort from them. | |
| Oct 1, 2019 at 18:34 | comment | added | Robert Columbia | It's the same thing with, say, a hypothetical law enforcement agency. If cops start summarily executing drunk drivers and burning their cars on-site, we are severely limited in understanding why people drive drunk and what sort of outreach programs (e.g. rehab, driver education, designated driver programs, later bus hours, large print bus maps, stern warning signs posted in bars) might help. | |
| Oct 1, 2019 at 18:31 | comment | added | Robert Columbia | "Examples of unwelcoming behavior are much hard to show since it violates the be nice policy and they get deleted." -> That's exactly why I'm so confused over the nature of unwelcoming behavior. If I can't figure out what is happening because it gets deleted quickly, there's little I can do to work toward preventing future occurrences (rather, I am stuck with waiting for an "incident" I can red flag). Are there any 10k+ users who can quote some (suitably redacted as necessary) examples of unwelcoming content that was deleted? | |
| Oct 1, 2019 at 18:30 | history | edited | StrongBad | CC BY-SA 4.0 | added 120 characters in body |
| Oct 1, 2019 at 18:14 | history | answered | StrongBad | CC BY-SA 4.0 |