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Software industry blogger Gergely Orosz claimed that "Stack overflow almost dead" in a 15 May 2025 post.

Today, Stack overflow has almost as few questions asked per month, as when it launched back in 2009. A recap of its slow, then rapid, downfall.

They base this on a Twitter post citing data from SEDE metrics of number of questions asked per month. The post also summarises a timeline of Stack Overflow actions on moderation, with commentary.

Gergely points to LLM use as a main factor drying up questions. But they also write:

2014: questions started to decline, which was also when Stack Overflow significantly improved moderator efficiency. From then, questions were closed faster, many more were closed, and “low quality” questions were removed more efficiently. This tallies with my memory of feeling that site moderators had gone on a power trip by closing legitimate questions. I stopped asking questions around this time because the site felt unwelcome.

This is interesting context for EmmaBee's summary of Meta's insights on "closed (and potentially useful) questions on Stack Overflow.

My questions: do you agree with the conclusion that "Stack Overflow is almost dead"? Do you agree with that the rise of LLMs, and SO feeling unwelcome, are the cause? Is number of new questions the right metric for "life" or "death" of SO?

My hidden agenda: I think Gergely's commentary will be interesting to Meta Stack Overflow readers, so I want to make it known here.

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    It's just another article about how SO is drying up. Honestly, there's nothing new in that article... I could say I disagree with what he wrote, but the numbers don't lie about SO's traffic. So, I don't really see the point of bringing it up here. Commented May 15, 2025 at 21:49
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    (Also, that [welcoming] tag leaves a bit of a sour taste. It's consistently been used as a stick to whack at SO's moderation and long-term users) Commented May 15, 2025 at 21:50
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    I stopped reading after I reached the pay wall, ironically the entire article wouldn’t be possible, without the tools provided by SE to generate the required graphs. I just see it as yet another user upset that their low quality question which can be answered incorrectly by a LLM was not well received. Commented May 15, 2025 at 22:05
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    In short: outside voices like this have no standing to assess whether Stack Overflow is "dead", because they have no understanding of what we seek to accomplish. They impose their own metrics and quality standards, and every other kind of "should", upon us. Commented May 15, 2025 at 22:25
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    He says "ChatGPT is faster and it’s trained on StackOverflow data, so the quality of answers is similar." Of course it's faster, so is the Magic 8 Ball. But the quality of answer is not similar. If it were true, there would be almost no questions on Stack Overflow, and almost no one here to answer them. It's obvious that he is just another disgruntled former user with an axe to grind. Commented May 15, 2025 at 22:34
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    "This tallies with my memory of feeling that site moderators had gone on a power trip by closing legitimate questions." Moderators rarely close questions. Most of it is done by normal users. If improved tooling led to more questions closed, it doesn't that the tool is abused but rather that before it a lot of questions that should have been closed weren't. Commented May 15, 2025 at 23:11
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    We can't deny that LLMs made people post questions less on Stack Overflow, but this doesn't mean the site is dead. Commented May 15, 2025 at 23:13
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    "ChatGPT is polite and answers all questions, in contrast to StackOverflow moderators" Again, moderators rarely answer questions. However, this statement shows that the author cannot be trusted with what he's saying. The site can only function if people not only ask questions but also answer them. Commented May 15, 2025 at 23:15
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    It's not entirely a bad thing that the number of new questions is dropping. This is included in the design of the site because there cannot be an infinite number of questions. At some point most of the questions would have been already asked and answered. Commented May 15, 2025 at 23:17
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    "I'll certainly miss having a space on the internet to ask questions and receive help – not from an AI, but from fellow, human developers." Well then, who's to blame? Could it be people that are claiming the site is dead and are driving developers away from it? Commented May 15, 2025 at 23:18
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    I still have a problem like the last question that attempted to point out the “Stack Overflow decline”, the data does not take into account all of the low quality garbage that gets deleted. Once deleted the tools that exist only consider the questions that haven’t been deleted. Commented May 16, 2025 at 0:09
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    I do wonder how someone, that has contributed 10's of posts, hasn't contributed for a decade, and never contributed to Meta, can make these claims, when they've not really experienced the site. As Dharman mentioned in their comments, they don't even understand the difference between curation and moderation, which is fundamental to the site. It's like confusing the people that reported a crime with then police officers that responded... They are completely different people. Commented May 16, 2025 at 12:27
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    @ThomA I'd argue instead that that's how the vast, vast majority or people experience the site. We on meta are a miniscule, tiny fraction of the contributing population of this platform. We're vocal, we understand it in depth, and we care a lot– but we're small in the face of the overwhelming majority of people that visit, ask, answer, and almost certainly never look at meta or engage with the site on any level deeper than that. Commented May 16, 2025 at 17:00
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    I've seen communities shrink by more than a factor of 10 and continue on, perfectly healthy and happy, in the long run. Yes, it's uncomfortable. Yes, it should justifiably trigger intense reflection by all parties, and deep change to follow. No, it is not the end of the line. You'll know the end when you see it. We're not there yet. Commented May 19, 2025 at 16:59

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I would argue that Stack Overflow is "dead" in same sense that Wikipedia is "dead": In some sense they are, but in a more important sense they aren't.

I started to edit Wikipedia 22 years ago. At that time many articles I wanted to find were missing, and I actually found myself creating new articles from scratch, on anything from my favorite band, to some small town I happened to visit recently. I made hundreds of edits to Wikipedia every year, and it felt "alive" and I felt part of a community. Today, virtually anything I search for on Wikipedia already exists, so I rarely ever need to edit any article, and I haven't created a new article from scratch in years. I've become more of a "user" of Wikipedia than a member of a "community". But while some might lament that the Wikipedia community is "dead" and blame it on toxic interactions and other things they personally experienced, the simple truth is that Wikipedia is thriving as a mature product used by billions, and by no means "dead". It's more alive than ever, despite the fact that I rarely edit new articles anymore.

Exactly the same thing happened to Stack Overflow. When it started, every question was new, and people (including me) enjoyed answering those questions. But as the years went by, people were mostly using the same systems and programming languages that have been in use for years (consider, for example, that JavaScript, Python and Linux are all 30 years old!), and after Stack Overflow has been in existence for a few years - basically every question was already answered well. So people, including me, discovered that you could find good Stack Overflow answers in a simple Google Search - and the need to write completely new questions, and to answer new questions, became rarer and rarer. This was all before AI, mind you - AI can find answers even better, but the existing answers were already pretty easy to find using Google. On many days, I found myself finding Stack overflow answers multiple times each day, but only ask a new question on Stack Overflow once every few months.

Does this mean that Stack Overflow has died? Of course not - it means it became mature, even "complete" in a certain sense (only requiring minor additions as incrementally new technologies are invented), and super useful. It only "died" if the only thing you cared about was counting new users, new questions, and new answers. Perhaps Stack Overflow the company cares about these metrics, but why should Stack Overflow users care? Does anyone still believe that Wikipedia's success or failure should be measured right now by the number of new articles added every day or the number of new users? At the current point of Wikipedia, the vast majority of users never create any article, and never even bother to create an account. This is a sign of Wikipedia's success, not death. Similarly, the fact that Stack Overflow has amassed a huge amount of good questions and answers and no longer needs many new questions or answers or users that create accounts - is a sign of Stack Overflow's success, not death.

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    Very nice read, but I still wonder how you quantify success then? The fewer new questions the more success? How do we really know that we have all the good questions there are? Or is the mere fact that people don't ask here anymore proof that no more questions can be asked? I might want to remain skeptical about it. Commented Jun 24, 2025 at 17:00
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    As another analogy, the Bible is a very successful book despite nobody having changed or improved it for 2000 years. It's successful because people read and use the information it contains. If people use Stackoverflow's information - not by creating an account or writing things but by Google search or ChatGPT having learned all its info - then Stack Overflow is very successful. Maybe it can't make any money this way, but neither does Wikipedia or the Bible "make" money, and they are still considered successful. Commented Jun 24, 2025 at 18:48
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    But @NoDataDumpNoContribution to answer more concretely: I consider Stack Overflow successful if questions I have and type into Google get answered with Stack Overflow information. True, with Google it was easier to know - I got back links, and for AI it's harder because it doesn't know where it learned. But I know that Stackoverflow has been in recent year the best source of such technical information, so I'm convinced much of the AI's knowledge was learned from Stackoverflow. So I consider it to be a success for humanity - like Wikipedia is. Commented Jun 24, 2025 at 18:51
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    Thank you for the comments. I'm not religious, so the bible example may be wasted on me, but I see how you are thinking. For you success is rather a binary thing, either it's there or it's not and StackOverflow is the living proof of a success. For me it's more a quantitative thing. I could imagine a better StackOverflow with more and better questions, that's why I'm not sure about the exact success that StackOverflow enjoys. I agree that one possible measure is how good general search quality is. But I'm not sure I can always estimate it well. Maybe I wouldn't even know what I'm missing. Commented Jun 24, 2025 at 19:38
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    Thank you for this mature, thoughtful answer that perfectly sums up my feelings. Every knowledge store starts out from empty and therefore grows (in terms of both content and users) extremely quickly initially, but ultimately reaches some level of saturation and the growth drops down to a far more gradual level. That is exactly why SE Inc.'s "line goes up" mentality for new user acquisition is insane to me, because a knowledge store literally does not and cannot work that way! Commented Jun 26, 2025 at 12:02
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    This answer also touches on the fundamental impedance mismatch between people who curate, and those who don't, which is the most critical issue facing SO at this time. I don't know how to address that issue, and since SE Inc. doesn't even understand the mismatch exists, neither do they. Commented Jun 26, 2025 at 12:06
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    @NadavHar'El Continuing the analogy: People think that in using an LLM they are talking to God directly ... but for LLM answers "the Devil is in the details". Commented Jul 15, 2025 at 0:38
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    This answer isn't categorically wrong but it isn't nuanced enough: yes some decrease in new questions makes sense as the most common ones are answered (for established technology). But in technology there are always new topics, new languages, new frameworks. I don't buy that there aren't many more than 442 [zig] questions. There are only so few because it's a young language and people don't ask many new questions anymore. The trend continues 6 months onwards: every 4.2 months the rate of new questions halves. That's definitely not because suddenly everything has been asked already. Commented Jul 15, 2025 at 2:06
  • @CorneliusRoemer I agree, but can't the same be said about Wikipedia (the other example I gave) – since Wikipedia is mature and people find its articles on the top of Google searches and regurgitated by ChatGPT, if a new language "zig" is invented, fewer people are expected to go directly to Wikipedia to look for it and rush to edit the article about it. I don't think this makes Wikipedia "dead" or a less important source of truth for those Google or ChatGPT front ends. Commented Jul 15, 2025 at 8:01
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    @NadavHar'El Wikipedia is a bad comparison because new article creation rate there has only decreased by a factor of 2 from its peak over a time of 15 years - it's essentially stable since LLMs became a thing. SO collapsed by a factor of 10 in barely 2 years and it keeps decreasing at roughly the same rate. I'm not saying that the argument is logically impossible to be true that "all the questions have been answered", it's just not backed by the data which shows a fast decrease in new questions that doesn't slow down. stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/new-pages/… Commented Jul 15, 2025 at 8:57
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    @NadavHar'El I wanted to put a link to the wikipedia stats graph but was out of characters, happy to share the useful graph: stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/new-pages/… Data beats personal experience. How can nothing be missing from Wikipedia? What about recent events? New products/companies/concepts? "My involvement with Wikipedia really did go to almost zero." Data show others filled your shoes: stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/… Commented Jul 16, 2025 at 12:11
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    @NadavHar'El I think the real telltale of deadness is whether SO/Wikipedia are still useful for newly appeared concepts. Wikipedia to me looks healthy for things that only became a thing recently, like LLMs: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model - I don't think the same can be said for SO. There's almost nothing about [ruff] (68 questions), while [pylint] has 1788 questions. Ruff has been around for almost 3 years. It's more popular now than pylint, yet it has barely 3% of the questions. Commented Jul 16, 2025 at 12:20
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    @CorneliusRoemer Wikipedia is definitely not healthy for anything to do with contemporary political events. Commented Sep 16, 2025 at 23:05
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    So stack overflow is not dead, it is ... complete. Commented Nov 17, 2025 at 19:25
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    It feels like lots of people are in denial trying to redefine the meaning of success on the fly to match the current constraints. Before chatGPT there were no questions about it: traffic is growing, more and more people are actively engaging. With chatGPT it plummeted not because all questions were answered, but because people found a better and safer place to ask them. Sorry folks, but the reality had shifted. And I'd argue that toxicity of SO is not among the least contributing factors here. If nothing changes it's gonna be a grave yard bubble with a few core believers sooner than later Commented Dec 24, 2025 at 15:23
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do you agree with the conclusion that "Stack Overflow is almost dead"?

It has in some senses been dying, and that's fine. It can still carry on for a long time. Being "alive" indefinitely isn't the point. It was never the point. The tour says:

With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed, high-quality answers to every question about programming.

Everyone who seeks to accomplish anything ought to be prepared for the possibility of succeeding. Stack Overflow has surely not found every question that can support high-quality answers yet; but in also accepting questions that don't support high-quality answers, it has managed to accumulate more than three questions about programming for every Wikipedia article about literally anything. Questions aren't the limiting factor.

Do you agree with that the rise of LLMs, and SO feeling unwelcome, are the cause?

These are absolutely causes of the decline in the rate of incoming questions. However,

Is number of new questions the right metric for "life" or "death" of SO?

Absolutely not.

When your goal is to have a "library of detailed, high-quality answers", you don't die because you run out of new attempts at questions.

You die because people stop trying to improve answer quality (edits), and stop trying to organize the library (identifying duplicates, deleting redundant answers etc.), and because people stop trying to find things there (no good direct measure, but view counts are a start).

If edits and other curation are on the wane, that has more to do with people losing hope, and growing impatient with the company.

If people stop writing site:stackoverflow.com in search queries and instead use an LLM that was trained on Stack Overflow data - well, it's too bad (for them, too) if they trust the LLM without verification, but the LLM is largely working as a cache that the site simply can't account for in the statistics.

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    While I agree with you we should be aware that effective site curation can only be done by 2k+ users. With fewer new questions, it's getting successively harder for new users to earn rep and become active curators. In the (far) future, we might run into a recruitment problem. Commented May 23, 2025 at 8:16
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    @Friedrich well, we can change that standard. It doesn't even have to be reputation-based. And we can explicitly train the skills, too. But personally, I think the time has come to start over, which is why I'm at Codidact. Commented May 23, 2025 at 17:15
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    👆This comment changes the entire meaning of the answer. One way to read this answer now is that Karl has a vested interest in letting SO die so that more users come over to the place where he is a moderator. If the community is faltering then blaming SO the company seems a strange target. And suggesting that SO is in decline because it has somehow "succeeded" in it's mission seems laughable when outside of the SO bubble folks blame aging content and excessively strong handed gate keeping. Commented Jul 2, 2025 at 8:59
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    @ARF You imagine multiple contradictions where there are none. I blame the company because they make the site less pleasant to use for the existing community. There is no contradiction between success as a service and decline in interaction; I clearly explained why. Being a moderator at Codidact doesn't give me a "vested interest" in site popularity or traffic; the site is operated by a non-profit foundation and I'm not a member of it anyway. But I would personally like to see the project succeed for its own sake, and to make a point about the model that SE and Codidact share. (1/2) Commented Jul 2, 2025 at 21:51
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    (2/2) My entire point is that I do not care in the slightest about what "folks outside of the SO bubble" think because they are completely missing the point about what Stack Exchange is supposed to be, and because they have no right to say what it should be. The gate keeping is deliberate to keep them out, because success at the site's goals requires keeping them out if they aren't going to play ball. Again: we get to decide what our goals are - they do not. As for "aging content", this is simply misguided. Many things about computers are equally true today as they were in the 60s. Commented Jul 2, 2025 at 21:54
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    Yes you want to believe that folks left because "the company made the site less pleasant to use" and absolutely refuse to listen to the millions who left because "they are completely missing the point". And yet those who left don't talk about the company at all. They talk about it's toxic community. The reasons cited for others leaving are never about the company at all, but entirely reasons in the hands of it's community. The idea that anyone who disagrees with you must simply have misunderstood is the biggest delusion of stack overflow. Commented Jul 3, 2025 at 16:29
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    "Stackoverflow's mission cannot be "complete" if it's content has already aged out beyond usefulness." But it hasn't. "But you know this and want others to go join the thing where you are an admin." This is a bizarre conspiracy theory and I must ask you to cut it out with the personal attacks. Commented Jul 3, 2025 at 18:36
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    It wasn't intended as a personal attack, nor was it a conspiracy theory. I was merely rephrasing your own comment. You've suggested we should start over on a competetor. This directly conflicts with your assertion of "mission accumplished". Either the mission was a succsess, in which case it doesn't need repeating, or it was a failure in which case we should start over. Commented Jul 11, 2025 at 21:54
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    @ARF I suspect the reports you've seen are from the unfortunate users that the UI encouraged to post questions without enough guidance on what is needed for a question to succeed on the site. Then, when their question gets closed because it's off-topic or missing kdy details for too long, they think it's a problem with the community when really it's a problem with the onboarding on the website. (I mean, inevitably some users will ignore most or all of the instructions and post bad questions, but it doesn't seem like this is anywhere near becoming the main problem yet.) Commented Jul 20, 2025 at 1:05
  • Could you perhaps suggest view stats we could look at? On SEDE or elsewhere? Commented Jan 11 at 14:58
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    You quoted "Is number of new questions the right metric for "life" or "death" of SO?" and errantly answered with "Absolutely not." Despite what you may believe its charter to be defined as, SO is fundamentally an interaction site and interactions here are initially driven by questions. If questions dramatically die down (they are), then interactions dramatically die down (they are) and thus SO dramatically dies down (it is). Commented Jan 17 at 22:13
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    I stopped writing on main SO because of the community mainly. Partially because of the parent company - but I think the two are related. Quite a few things would probably be better if the original founders were still in charge. 🤷‍♂️. Now I just pass by, leave a few comments or read some posts .. and then forget about the site for a few weeks :-) Commented Jan 19 at 15:12
  • @SamB No I doubt that very much. It is a litmus test of the community that when people raise concerns about toxic behavior the community blames the victims! Inability to recognize toxic behavior has been a key driver for it. Commented Feb 10 at 9:23
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    @ARF Did you read the top answer there? Do you disagree that it refers to actual phenomena? Do you disagree that the phenomena described are, in fact, rude? When you have in mind "concerns about toxic behavior", exactly what do you find to be such? Clearly it's something not on that list, but I don't understand what you refer to. Can you give a concrete example of a thing that is routinely done on the site (and show that it is), that you think should not be done (and explain why not)? Commented Mar 3 at 1:10
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    More importantly: if you think something is "toxic" and other people have thought about it and decided that it is not so, why should your opinion prevail over that of others? When you say that this is an "inability to recognize" a problem, why should we believe that it is indeed our failure to recognize something, and not your failure to understand that it is not actually that thing? Commented Mar 3 at 1:11
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With 6 months more data than the original post by Gergely relied on the trend of rapidly decreasing new questions continues. New questions are still dropping exponentially. The current decay rate (exponential fit to last 6 months) is a halving every 4.2 months (a factor of 7 per year). Of course, the decay rate will not stay like this forever but time's kind of running out. (I exclude the current month.)

New questions asked with a log y axis

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Update (2026-01-04): The trend continues mostly unabated with December 2025 having only 21% of the questions asked in December 2024 (3862 vs 18029) and that doesn't account for roomba etc deleting some percentage of the still counted December 2025 questions. The exponential fit said it would be down to 14%. At the current rate we'll be at 800 questions for December 2026 and 160 in December 2027. At that point it's 5 new questions day. SEDE Query

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    Feb 2026/Feb 2025: 15% (87 questions per day). March is looking like about 14%. (78 questions per day.) Commented Mar 18 at 0:04
  • I dug into these stats a bit more here: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/438538/263268 Commented Mar 23 at 23:21
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I've often felt that the issue is a lot more complex than it seems at first glance. Things like attrition amongst core users (and the momentum built up in the early days finally running out), drama in the network causing big drops in engagement amongst the most engaged and such are internal issues that I feel are causes.

Interestingly, one of my personal theories is over time, the company has tried to accommodate folks who want the benefits of a well curated knowledge base without the constraints, or want SE to change without engaging in the community directly. We've carved out pieces of ourself to try to serve folks who turn their nose up at us, perhaps.

I find the stack exchange timeline an interesting reference here - and I'd argue a few key things happened in 2017 and 2018 - or even earlier. The company lost its way with the community, and was both trying to be profitable at any cost and find the next big thing - a combination of downsizing, issues with company culture, and conflicts with key community members kicked off a period of attrition.

Externally, we're in a period where large tech companies, as well as contracting companies are doing large job cuts in the belief that AI can replace a lot of headcount. Incidentally, companies hired heavily during covid and this coincided with a period of user growth.

'Blaming' LLMs is simplistic, and complaints about SE 'moderators' being too quick to close questions is basically our equivalent of eternal september. There are things the company can do, but an excessive focus on the more vocal set of outsiders at the detriment to folks who use and thrive here probably has hurt more than helped.

As much as the company sees re-engineering the design of the network and new products as a future, I believe our survival lies in re-energising and rebuilding communities and attracting the sort of people who thrive here rather than disavowing our unique selling point - that we're quality focused and attract experts and trying to turn the network into something else.

I also find that a website - whether its a forum or a Q&A site is easier for finding knowledge artifacts than chat. Stack Exchange might be ailing but perhaps recovery isn't out of the question.

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    "company has tried to accommodate folks who want the benefits of a well curated knowledge base without the constraints," At some point, Google made it very easy to search for Stackoverflow answers directly in its search bar, without logging into stackoverflow. New users did not need stackoverflow accounts, didn't need to "ask a question" or "vote", they just benefited from the quality answers. Some may call this "death" of Stackoverflow, I would call it - success! Commented Jun 24, 2025 at 13:36
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    @NadavHar'El the original idea of SO was that most users would be landing here from web searches. This isn't an emergent property of the system, it's baked in its design. The site even allows unregistered users to post answers and make suggested edits just so the barrier to participation is lower. An account has never been strictly required. Yet, that's not what JG is talking about. The existence of anonymous users has never really been a problem to my knowledge. Commented Jun 24, 2025 at 13:53
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    Maybe the idea of Google searches was baked into the design (and they certainly didn't do anything to actively prevent it), but years later people seem to think that "new questions" and "new answers" and "community" and "accounts" and "interactions" are valid metrics for this site. I claim they are not. Stackoverflow isn't "dead" because it "lost its way with the community" (which is what JG said). Commented Jun 24, 2025 at 14:23
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    Well, I'm not talking about anonymous users - I'm thinking of those folks who claim SE and its model is toxic and want us to move closer to a different model, as mentioned deeper down. And to me the 'hard to quanitify' parts of community, that people hang out here both to do Q&A and to an extent use the social and community parts of it when they arn't is essential. To me, chat and meta being quiet is as much of a sign of an ailing community as poor QPDs for example, as would people leaving the network or roles within it due to disagreements with the community. Commented Jun 24, 2025 at 14:33
  • So to me - SE dying would be cause it lost its way with the community as much as by death by AI or other subsitutes. Commented Jun 24, 2025 at 14:33
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    @NadavHar'El "years later people seem to think that "new questions" and "new answers" and "community" and "accounts" and "interactions" are valid metrics for this site. I claim they are not." neither does the answer claim that at all. The company (a.k.a. SE) certainly did burn through a lot of goodwill and patience of the community. That's not even debatable - many engaged users have stepped down or even completely left the sites. That by itself is not "death" of the sites. But waving our hands and declaring it a non-factor is also not what we should be doing. Commented Jun 24, 2025 at 14:43
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Sadly, I believe it is somewhat true. It's not quite dead yet, but it's on a fast track.

While the number of new questions dropping isn't concerning on its own, it creates a negative feedback loop. No new questions means contributors have less incentive to stick around and answer questions. Fewer answers mean there is less incentive for people to ask questions.

More than the number of new questions, the number of visits is a more important sign of how well Stack Overflow is doing. This has been pretty good until ChatGPT came along. LLMs have taken a huge chunk of traffic away from Stack Overflow, together with search providers offering summaries. These cause Stack Overflow to lose traffic and income from ads. Without revenue the site cannot stay alive.

As much as we always wanted to build a repository of information and we compared ourselves to the likes of Wikipedia, we were always very far from this goal. Unlike Wikipedia, people don't write an article together. They reply to a problem statement. And as such, the Q&A format is something between an encyclopedia and a forum. It's easier to find an answer here than on a forum, but there is too much noise and clutter compared to an encyclopedia. LLMs excel at solving this problem as they can summarise and quickly provide an amalgamation of all answers without the fluff. If they can do it reliably and accurately close to 100% of the time, then people will have no reason to come to Stack Overflow. But of course, Stack Overflow enabled that as it provided LLMs with the training data.

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  • This is a key point. Less Qs and As aren't a problem, less search engine eyeballs to roll on ads is. I don't think the company can increase the number of active users in any impactful way, but I do hope they somehow manage to redirect some of the passive traffic to pay the bill. Commented Jan 26 at 12:43
  • In IT knowledge has a short half-time. SO is about programming, and unless the frameworks and languages stay the way they are there is a point when all questions are asked and all answers given. Yet then a new version appears and things are different. It is worth to have a site that keeps updating. Commented Mar 8 at 13:12
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do you agree with the conclusion that "Stack Overflow is almost dead"?

No. Traffic is declining, but I don't think it's at that point say "almost dead". There still are quite a few questions coming in, and users contributing useful content (including new contributors).

Do you agree with that the rise of LLMs, and SO feeling unwelcome, are the cause?

From what I see people say for themselves on Reddit at least, a significant number of people feel like SO is unwelcome, and like that LLMs don't make them feel that way when they have questions. I have related-ish thoughts in https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/384378/997587.

Is number of new questions the right metric for "life" or "death" of SO?

I think it should be part of whatever metric that is. I'd want voting activity to be considered too. Even if we somehow answer every question under the sun, as long as there are people in the field of software development, voting activity gives some picture of how many of those people encounter this platform and find its content useful. "How reusable is our content?" That's part of the core goal here.

For me right now, I think SO is dead when the people who are looking for what we're designed to provide (a community-built library of Q&A) no longer find us able to provide that.

Or otherwise, if nobody finds this platform/library useful for anything. I'm referring to reddit a lot (apologies), but I think it's worth doing since in my mind, they represent the masses, and on reddit threads that discuss declines in SO traffic, it's common to see a highly voted comment saying something like "but if SO dies, who will feed the LLMs?". Of course, we're not the only ones who do, but I suppose even if people hardly use SO directly, what we do can still contribute to making the world a better place... ? I'll leave a question mark there since I don't know if I can really stand behind LLMs as a "frontend" to SO making the world a better place (environmental impacts and all that).

Tangent: voting really matters. The other complaint I see a lot on reddit is about outdated information being the top answers. Ideally, voting means that the most useful stuff is at the top. Is it that these people aren't voting? If so, why? Is it that they can't vote? Or enough of them can't vote to change the sort order? These are questions I think are important to engage with. I'll take the liberty here to plug some of my thoughts about voting like I usually do: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/386224/997587, Add an option to sort answers by the viewer's previously cast votes, https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/393604/997587.

Apologies for the rambling.

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    Such a minor part of your excellent answer, but on the "outdated top answers" complaint, I'm really partial to the trending sort order; off the top of my head, I feel reasonably strongly that that should become the default sort order to address precisely that complaint. Commented May 16, 2025 at 16:54
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    @zcoop98 trending sort order is horrible most of the time, especially in lower traffic tags. If you land on the question with plenty of answers and where there may be newer ones which will surface with trending sort, then it is not hard to switch sort. Most upvoted works the best for the most questions and it is not vulnerable to sock voting. Commented May 18, 2025 at 12:57
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    @DalijaPrasnikar I can only speak to my own experience with it, which has been nowhere close to "horrible", but it's definitely in primarily higher-traffic tags. The one point I'd argue specifically is that the outdated top answers problem is, in my understanding, most common in higher-traffic tags, which is precisely the place that trending shines because of the higher voting activity. Commented May 19, 2025 at 20:40
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    "For me right now, I think SO is dead when the people who are looking for what we're designed to provide (a community-built library of Q&A) no longer find us able to provide that." That is also happening right now. LLMs have taken a huge chunk of traffic away from SO. Commented Jan 13 at 14:33
  • Addressing a minor question you pose: "Is it that these people aren't voting? If so, why?" <- perhaps a combination of three factors: 1. If users don't need to ask new questions, they are much less likely to register. I mean, would you really register to vote on questions? 2. Even a user who has registered, but only ever asked a question or two, may not feel it's their place to decide which answers are good or not. 3. ... especially when looking at an old question with a large number of votes which has supposed "decided" the matter. Commented Jan 15 at 21:05
  • SO feeling unwelcoming compared to LLMs is a strong point. It's arguable whether the high standards of SO is a pro or con, but its certainly part of why LLMs can be more approachable. Questions on SO can be rejected for reasons that are unintuitive to the average user. *Posts get closed as being not about programming. *Questions get closed as duplicates if the answer can be found elsewhere, even if the linked dupe isn't an exact match. *Unanswered questions with a score of 0 get auto-deleted. Commented Jan 29 at 17:39
  • "There still are quite a few questions coming in" - this is incorrect. The number of new questions per day is now under 80. February had less than 3 questions per day on the [javascript] tag, compared to 450 questions per day just 4 years ago. Commented Mar 23 at 23:36
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I want to talk not specifically about SO, but about all websites like it.

We had, have, and will continue to have sites like SO. Why? IMHO:

  1. We always need teachers to tell us what is "good" and what is "bad."
  2. We need a way to acquire new knowledge.

As far as I understand, the current mechanism for training AI creates a "knowledge loop." Since AI outputs combined data from old sources, it generally doesn't produce truly new data — yet the AI will continue to learn from its own generated content. Because of this, I’m sure that real humans are needed to contribute original data that hasn't been discovered or documented before.

There will always be business-specific problems that haven't been solved yet, or solutions that exist but aren't open source. How will AI deal with that?

In one of my previous jobs, I had a task to create functionality that generated barcodes for 10,000 different items — complete with names, prices, and the ability to adjust almost every setting with a live preview. All of this had to be generated in under 10 seconds across Firefox, Chrome, and Safari. Good luck asking an AI to architect that from scratch!

I’m not saying AI will never be able to handle tasks like this, the point is that human engineers are still necessary. We need to talk to each other, help each other, and add new knowledge to the "global database" so that others can eventually find those answers via AI.

On the other hand, it is probably a good thing that AI can answer basic questions. We don’t need a 100th thread on "how to deep clone an object" or "how to change a button color." This allows us to spend our time on more complex and interesting problems.

People almost always choose the easiest path. For example, a student will usually ask a teacher a question to get a quick, understandable answer because a teacher can provide tailored examples. Does that mean we don't need books or libraries anymore? Of course not!

The way we share information has simply evolved, and it will continue to do so. We shouldn’t be afraid of these changes, instead, platforms must evolve to adapt to them.

For me, SO is not dead. It is just becoming a more specialized hub for real engineers to tackle the complex tasks AI can't handle yet

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In 12 years, the number of new questions asked has dropped per day has dropped by 99%, from 6690 to 78.

If you can believe it, the year-on-year rate of decline has actually increased every month since September 2025 (from 75.6% to 85.9%) - genuine free fall.

Decline in questions asked per day compared to 12 months prior: 0% means no change, 100% means no questions asked.

Decline in questions asked per day compared to 12 months prior: 0% means no change, 100% means no questions asked. Source

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"Almost dead" is about the most charitable description you could put on StackOverflow as a collaborative enterprise. It's still...something, in the same way that Napster and SlashDot and StumbleUpon are still something even though their core activity collapsed.

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    The numbers are very clear. What is unknown is who is ultimately responsible: did askers leave before answerers or the other day around. Commented Mar 18 at 6:21
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    @NoDataDumpNoContribution Why does it have to be one before the other? Both groups seem to have gradually lost people. (And it’s not like the groups are completely distinct to begin with.) Commented Mar 18 at 6:35
  • to reference a Monty Python joke: it's an ex-change Commented Mar 18 at 10:01
  • @ChristophRackwitz Monthy Python eh. I think the dead parrot sketch is more appropriate here :) "It's sleeping!" Commented Mar 18 at 10:20
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    @MisterMiyagi You're right. It could also be both. But it also could be primarily only one. Maybe askers stopped asking earlier and more than answerers stopped answering or the other way around (after all answer to question ratio was dropping all the time). The numbers are so clear, even a blind man can see clearly that SO is dead now. But what was the cause of it, and what was only an effect? That is notoriously hard to know. Commented Mar 18 at 10:39
  • I am on the side of the counter that says ex-parrot. I also say NI! and demand a shrubbery :) Commented Mar 18 at 19:11
  • @NoDataDumpNoContribution I've updated the graphs to include answer counts as well. Answer counts and question counts behave exactly the same, although the decline in answer count is very slightly less. Commented Mar 18 at 22:12
  • @SteveBennett you graph doesn't show quality of answers. It may be one of factors in this situation. Commented Mar 19 at 6:44
  • You can see in the "decline" graph that the rate of decline was fairly steady, around 10-15% until November 2022, when it began climbing, and it hasn't stopped since. What happened in November 2022? ChatGPT was released. It's clear that LLMs are the dominant factor here. Commented Mar 19 at 7:46
  • "I've updated the graphs to include answer counts as well." Thanks a lot. Both react to each other. But it's too close to say which one drives the other. Could be that experts would have answered more, if only more questions would have been asked. Could be that askers would have asked more, if only experts would have answered them. Instead one or both groups decided to call it a day. Commented Mar 19 at 11:48
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    Also the absolute values from 2025 on are very small. Statistics from 2025 on might be dominated by other effects. Like the network simply not being well known as a place to ask anymore, even if one would get help here or LLMs aren't getting better. Commented Mar 19 at 11:51
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    @NoDataDumpNoContribution Since you need questions to post answers, there is an expected strong correlation. What might be slightly more interesting is the number of answers per question and the time it takes to get an answer or even an accepted answer. It looks like A/Q was significantly larger during the growth phase than during the decline phase. Commented Mar 20 at 7:00
  • @Roland Sure, but it's probably not that simple as A/Q>X means growth and below X shrinkage. The graph shows that answers and questions declined with roughly the same rate for the last years. The ratio of both was probably roughly constant over the last years. Still activity shrunk in an accelerated fashion even. Commented Mar 21 at 19:35
  • if we could get daily/weekly/monthly Active Users (logins at least) broken down by each user's A/(Q+A) ratio, and then aggregated to taste (number of DAU/WAU/MAU per decile of answerer-ness), that would be interesting to see as a heatmap-type plot. then we could look for shifts in that composition. I suspect all the answerer types still visit regularly. such data would require cooperation from higher powers, if they even have historical data of logins. from the data dump, I could extract evident activity only, not logins. that might be good enough for MAU stats. Commented Mar 24 at 17:58
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    Wikipedia's editor population is pretty stable. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/… Commented Mar 26 at 12:59
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Whether the people involved, or invested in it, like it or not, Yes it is.

I have answered a lot of the "Blazor" tagged questions since it launched. The number of questions now asked are a trickle compared to say 4 years ago. The context has also changed: most are now very specific, niche or custom security setups i.e. unanswerable without a lot of context, some specialist odd framework knowledge, or a view of the project.

Where once I answered several a day, I'm down to say one every two weeks.

On the "Toxic" question: it still thrives. I had a perfectly valid answer marked down by lurkers last week. I've seen valid questions closed by people who didn't have the knowledge to judge the validity of the question in the first place. I've reported stuff, but never received a reply. It's quite a turn off even for a seasoned contributor who doesn't give a **** about points: I'm within a cat's whisker of joining the exodus and leaving the building.

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do you agree with the conclusion that "Stack Overflow is almost dead"?

Strictly speaking, it's hard to agree with a statement that allows for that many interpretations. Yet, my guts tend to agree. Or, I would try to put it in a bit more strict way: Stack Overflow, the way it was conceived by founding fathers, failed to reach its goal, and - assuming the trend - hardly expected to reach it in the future.

Do you agree with that the rise of LLMs...

This looks like an established fact, no matter if I agree or disagree

... and SO feeling unwelcome

Although this fact drives gatekeepers crazy, but if anyone would try to impartially consider the following incomplete list of closure reasons,

  • Duplicate
  • Needs details or clarity
  • Needs more focus
  • Opinion-based
  • Needs debugging details
  • Seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more
  • Not reproducible or was caused by a typo

they'd have but to conclude that it covers up to 90% of newly asked questions.

And however noble (and as of now - unreachable!) goal dictates these rules, a closed question makes any feeling than welcoming.

Still, the cause isn't lost yet. Although the traffic is declining, Stack Overflow still has a unique competitive advantage: the expertise of human experts. All needs to be done is to obsolete the aforementioned excuses. And

let people ask.

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    Yeap, let's just open the floodgates and stop closing questions. Sure, that'll increase traffic... For a while. Commented May 19, 2025 at 16:44
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    @Cerbrus First, there is not much flood, which this post is exactly about :) Second, there are people willing to answer. Right now they just huddle in the comments under the closed question, making it look ridiculous. Commented May 19, 2025 at 16:49
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    @Clive Truth be told, even before LLM, Stack Overflow sucked a big one in regard of quality. It claims being "not a forum" but any popular question looks exactly like a forum thread! Instead of just a single "detailed, high-quality answer" there are dozens, sometimes arguing with others, each with a heated discussion on its own! Only people that don't have any other choice would tolerate that mess. No wonder everyone and their uncle turned to LLM. Compare that exodus with that of Wikipedia, were you can see what a quality detailed answer is. Commented May 19, 2025 at 17:36
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    " It claims being "not a forum" but any popular question looks exactly like a forum thread!" - Okay, but that is precisely a consequence of people not having done enough (especially in 2008, but still now) of what you now propose to stop doing. As much as the question seems well-posed (and phrased in a highly searchable way), it reflects distracting ideas about what the terms ought to mean (by casting everything in terms of the calling semantics instead of also the variable semantics, and allowing arguments about whether the term "pass by value" is misleading in that context). Commented May 19, 2025 at 17:50
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    @KarlKnechtel not at all! If you don't like this specific question, you can choose any other. They all just spammed with answers. This is Stack Overflow, it's the way it meant to be! And no, it's not lack of closures. Rather, this self contradicting approach is a direct result of ill-conceived "gamification", which put quality WAY beyond quantity. Nobody gets a single reputation point, let alone a virtual trinket, for making existing answer better. While for a hasty new answer you'd easily get a hundred. This is how it's started. Commented May 19, 2025 at 18:13
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    @KarlKnechtel not to mention that such gamification is exactly like a stick in the famous bike meme. As much SO aspires to be that trove of high quality answers, it's doomed to be that enormous garbage dump of millions hasty answers, with a few selected quality answers that make anything but a rule. Commented May 19, 2025 at 18:17
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    On the other hand, if you consider this particular question controversial and insist that such questions must be banned from Stack Overflow, than where all these 2.8m people should go for the answer? Commented May 19, 2025 at 18:49
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    I agree the gamification was ill conceived. I disagree that the existence of that gamification reveals an intent for how Stack Overflow was supposed to be. I think Atwood and Spolsky just made a mistake, or else didn't have a better idea for handing out curation privileges, or were too influenced by existing sites despite their desire to make something different. Commented May 19, 2025 at 18:57
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    @KarlKnechtel I think they should be asked better. Isn't it quite illogical to expect a well-rounded question from someone who is already asking? Wouldn't it be much more helpful if knowledgeable people shaped the question after it gets some traction? You don't have to answer - it would. Just that Stack Overflow won't let it be. It would punish community effort and defend selfishness and greed. Commented May 19, 2025 at 19:09
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    "Asked better" includes the result after editing. Commented May 19, 2025 at 21:08
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    @HQSantos some time ago I pondered heavily on a proposal, how to meet both goals. Of course, it was meet by a fierce backslash. But yes, since then, the "quality answers" goal became obsoleted, and now only one way is left - just answering questions, whatever they are Commented Jan 13 at 15:15
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    I saw the graph on Reddit and came back to SO and it’s the same old arguments about quality vs quantity. As an experienced SO user it was hard even for me to ask a question without copping the wrath of someone, so I left. Seems that one of the biggest gripes talked about on reddit was questions closes because duplicate that weren’t actually duplicates. Commented Jan 14 at 20:29
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    Gatekeeping as an issue... it gets toxic. But .. oh well... it is what it is. If only many of the gatekeepers in Meta would both to answer/ask in main stackoverflow. Commented Jan 15 at 10:42
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    @yourCommonSense to be clear - I used to be actively involved in answering questions on the main site. Over time, however, I found it increasingly discouraging to receive repeated lectures—particularly from users with relatively limited participation on the main site—about how contributors should engage. At some point, I concluded that my time and effort would be better spent elsewhere. I do believe the platform would benefit if more of the energy invested in Meta discussions were also reflected in direct contributions and answers on the main site. Commented Jan 18 at 19:11
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    Evolution according to stack overflow these days: (a) we want to create the best possible species (b) so let's kill anything that isn't good enough according to our criteria (c) oh, where did all the life go? Commented Jan 29 at 17:57
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Since I have been using ChatGPT, I no longer need Google as much as I did before, and therefore, I no longer use Stack Overflow either. But I think ChatGPT learns solutions from Stack Overflow, so it is not dying. Without external learning, ChatGPT is not able to replace Stack Overflow.

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    Problem is that if SO stops getting new questions and new answers, GPT does not need to learn from it any longer and can replace is with datadump from 2026/01. In order to stay relevant in the future, SO needs to stay afloat with new quality content. Commented Jan 19 at 10:40
  • @Kromster yes, this is a reason it won't die (unless it is replaced by some smarter SO that for example solves the problem of duplicates better). Commented Jan 20 at 15:12
  • Question is, what will happen if the new activity on the SO goes into the minus infinite logarithmically. New things won't access the ChatGPT. Commented Mar 2 at 15:13
  • Since I commuted to Claude Code I don't use ChatGPT any longer. Nobody knows what will happen. Commented Mar 19 at 8:08
  • " But I think ChatGPT learns solutions from Stack Overflow" - eh no, it doesn't. It did. But if pseudo-AI crap would keep feeding from the web today it would start training on AI generated stuff and that's the beginning of the end. The training set used is pretty much locked in, and outdated. Commented Mar 20 at 8:55
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do you agree with the conclusion that "Stack Overflow is almost dead"?

Yes. There are new questions every day but most don't get answered. Not many views on new questions. People looking for help on new technologies don't try to ask on Stack Overflow so the community isn't on the rise and it's dead.

Do you agree with that the rise of LLMs, and SO feeling unwelcome, are the cause?

The rise of LLMs is definitely a reason why SO is dead.

Is number of new questions the right metric for "life" or "death" of SO?

Not necessarily number of new questions. It's the number of questions not being answered.

More broadly WE are killing ourselves. AI is being trained from SO, if any new technology is not being discussed on SO (or any other Q&A platform), AI won't have where to train from. And when AI doesn't have accurate data, it decides what's accurate. You want to use new technologies, you search Google and ask on SO but you don't get any response. You ask AI, it doesn't know what to answer and it answers what it thinks that it's correct which is in most cases rubbish...

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    I fully agree with the last paragraph, only I don't know how to solve the problem so that everyone is happy. As a content creator I want my work to be seen by humans, not by machines only. And I want it to be credited. Both seems impossible. Therefore it's either game over for knowledge generation or something has to give. Maybe AI companies want to pay. They have so much money currently. We will see. Commented Mar 16 at 23:46
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    The AI companies have kind of moved across the Internet like a swarm of grasshoppers, leaving nothing but unedible slop behind. And now there's no more food for the grasshoppers, because they have been shitting where they were eating. Tough luck but at least they created an AI bubble. When the bubble pops and regulations catch up to AI-mania, who knows, maybe the Internet can be saved. Commented Mar 17 at 8:01
  • @Lundin "When the bubble pops and regulations catch up to AI-mania.." So in 6-8 years at the earliest, maybe never. It's a very bleak outlook. I don't know what good to do in the time until then. Commented Mar 18 at 18:40
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    @NoDataDumpNoContribution the issue is even bigger. Microsoft Docs is created with AI. No human is testing any new technology everything is AI generated. The issue is without humans, AI is nothing. We need AI but we need humans to train it. When I ask anything on Microsoft learn, it gives me an AI generated answer and if I don't accept it, my question gets removed because it violates the code of conduct. Don't believe me? Try it yourself Commented Mar 18 at 19:57
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A bit of anecdata from a long-term user's experience: The other day I asked a question outlining a real-world problem. First up some guy with a high rep edited the tags to remove the specific library I was asking about (and when I edited it back he changed it again) and then the question was closed for not incorporating a minimum reproducible example, something that is not easy to do when one is working on a very large application with complex dependencies and the question is about a problem arising from those dependencies.

Suffice to say if somebody who knew how to solve that problem saw my question, I have no doubt they would be able to answer it. I knew it was a relatively long-shot but it could have saved me a lot of effort if someone could answer, and if not I'd share the solution once I figured it out and other people would be able to benefit from what I've learnt. Now I can't do that.

This reminds me very precisely of the way that Programming.SE went from a useful community for discussing the broader questions that SO isn't designed for to something so narrow that it was impossible to ask an interesting or practical question there without having it immediately closed. In that case, being a smaller site, a single overzealous moderator was able to render the community worthless to the point that most of us left over the months following his takeover.

I've been here since day one and I've consistently found the community useful and practical. I've had questions closed because they were correctly dupes and questions ignored because nobody had run into the same problem I was having (a useful indicator in its own right) so I'm not unfamiliar with the platform or how to ask a good question. This felt different. Thinking about it a little more it seems as though the goal is to limit us to questions that can be efficiently used for AI training, which I suppose is in keeping with the current management thinking that AI is the answer. As a human I'm a second-class consumer of the site, rather than part of the active community we used to have.

If this is the direction of travel for Stack Overflow then it is clearly on a moribund path.

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    I mean... the user who edited away the react-router tag was a react-router expert. I do think it's unfortunate the tools we have currently don't promote a bit more meaning behind actions, but it's the system we have to work with currently. Commented Mar 23 at 16:45
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    if you disagree with the edit war those users tried to start with you, flag it. I could not see any of those editors describe their edits meaningfully, nor did they comment their reasons. -- IMHO, others' tags are suggestions. you should consider them, but if you don't like them, it's your choice. -- my general suggestion is to pick tags that apply and that cover both reach (big tags) and specificity (niche tags). Commented Mar 23 at 19:45
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    as for [X] experts removing [X] tags from posts: there are a bunch of those users. usually they are sick of seeing questions that relate incidentally to the technology but not specifically. much of machine learning involves CUDA acceleration, but only incidentally. someone who wants to deal with CUDA will eventually tire of this. nobody has a right to do this on language tags because no matter the problem, if the language is involved, the tag serves to hint the syntax highlighter. if your question does not hinge on react-router then it probably doesn't need the tag. Commented Mar 23 at 19:52
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    It wouldn't be surprising if moderation has become more overzealous, simply due to the fact that question volume down is so much. Even if the number of moderators is also down a bit, it's likely that the amount of moderation work per person active in curation is simply less. Commented Mar 24 at 2:33
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Yes, it is definitely dying. Mainly because of AI as most people turn to LLMs and even Google AI summary now.

And many of the policies have also contributed to long time veteran contributors and mods leaving. I find also quite a lot of conflict so whatever incentives there were to participate... have all but disappeared now that there are alternatives. Add to that, new users being bulldozed... and it doesn't do much now that there are faster alternatives.

Unfortunately, it also may seem that there is a lot of activity on Meta but not so much in main Stack Overflow - especially for answering and asking.

And especially with the gatekeeping … quite a lot of active gatekeeping though unfortunately there is not the same enthusiasm with actually providing content to the website… in terms of answers and questions.

Also, I was quite impressed with the low volume of new questions/answers for the last hour. 30 questions? 30 Answers? Nothing in comparison to 2017...2018...

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    @steveBennett and you get your job done without getting attacked. Keep in mind I have 24k reputation over 12 years - so I’m not a newb. And yet, I find the process more obnoxious now rather than 5 years ago. It’s become impossible to use it .. even legitimate questions and answers are closed by people who don’t even actively post content… they just guard and sit there slamming anyone that tries to do anything. So 🪦… not that things would be that much different even if so didn’t drop the ball. Commented Mar 24 at 8:27
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Does the graph show reasonable data? Is it representing a proof of death?

  • In the beginning there was just StackOverflow for all programming-related Q&A. Some time ago it split in multiple sites under then new StackExchange. How does the sum of performance metrics on StackOverflow, TeX, UX, and other specialized sites show compared to only SO metrics? Isn't the SO's decline emphasized by focused questions being asked on dedicated sites?

  • Is the "New questions per day" a good metric of a Q&A server, because the larger the pool of existing questions (and answers) is, the harder it is to find a question that hasn't been asked.
    How does the "weighted questions per day" metric look like? Say we give a question a weight based on its score N days after asking (discarding ones below a threshold). Or estimate the weight as a sum of question's reputation times 1, top M answer's reputation times 1/m (for m-th most favourite answer).

  • Can we expect change in the question targets? Say from "give me code for task X" to more abstract and general questions? The graph can be read as well as having a platteau between 2012 and 2022 with question count 10000-20000 qpd. Can we expect that offloading some questions to LLMs and saturating the LLM hype (LLMs are known for being very confident liars) is leading to lower qpd counts but the metric will hit new platteau (reach different equilibrium)?

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    1: no, all tech stacks have seen a similar drop off. 2. it's a good metric of user engagement, but not a good metric of how much good future-useful content is being created. There's certainly some correlation between the two, but it's surely not 1:1, given the majority of questions we are no longer getting are ones that have been answered. Commented Jan 29 at 16:59
  • All other tech-related sites were split off and grew (as much as they ever did) long before SO peaked. Other than the other two members of the Trilogy (SF and SU), which started only a few months after SO, traffic to other sites has been orders of magnitude lower than to SO. Commented Feb 5 at 15:36
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Although the number of questions asked dropped noticeable with upcoming AI, I do not believe that to be SO's death. What answers would AI give if it could not lookup a good amount of knowledge that has been carefully cleaned disturbing or false information?

Yet I perceive that my last couple of questions on SO were not answered by anyone but me. Are there no more experts available?

To give an answer:

  1. I noticed it is getting harder and harder to ask a good question without getting downvoted or deleted, just because someone else had asked the same. Did he? That other question is formulated with a lot different words - Google or the SO help would never pointed me there. Someone knowing the answer has - but that does not make the question a duplicate. It's more two question that relate to the same answer.

  2. I noticed it is getting harder and harder to give a good answer without being downvoted or deleted. Not even a reason is given so you know what you could do better next time.

  3. I have seen questions that from my POV were asked clearly enough to deserve an answer. But then someone decides otherwise and they get downvoted and closed. In such cases the downvoter (possibly the moderator) took action although he had no clue what the question related to.

In all these cases the communication and relationship between someone asking and someone responding is broken by the system itself. I strongly believe SO is overregulated. If this does not change, it will choke to death.

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  • "Google or the SO help would never pointed me there" why is that relevant once someone did point you to a duplicate? I totally agree that the process can be improved, but I dont understand the point you raise about duplicates. You acknowledge that an existing answer fits your question. Ok. Problem solved, no? Commented Mar 26 at 12:49
  • The questions describe symptoms, the answers root causes. Would you acknowledge that different symptoms may have the same cause? I would not classify such questions as duplicates. Commented Mar 31 at 6:53
  • I totally agree that slightly different questions can have the same answer, but its still the same answer, the same root cause as you call it. Closing questions as duplicate is a measure to have answers that adress the same root case in one place rather than scattered around. I think the way this is done can be improved, but you seem to argue that pointing an asker to an already existing answer and preventing others to write answers that already exist would be bad, and that is what I do not understand. Commented Apr 9 at 10:46
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    in other words: "I would not classify such questions as duplicates" why not? Commented Apr 9 at 10:47
  • If the question describes the same symptoms the asker might have found it via search, and tagging a duplicate makes sense. If the symptoms look different, how would an asker ever make the connection? Here it looks unfriendly to the asker as it is only obvious to the responders. Commented Apr 9 at 15:06
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    @queeg Why does it matter whether the asker makes the connection? The entire point of duplicate closure is to make that connection for them, as well as making it simpler for others to find the issue with the duplicate's way of asking. Commented Apr 9 at 15:09
  • I used to come here to find solutions. Now this is a why why why... I'll stop now. Commented Apr 9 at 15:12
  • @queeg Solutions to what? Your problem isn’t clear to me. You talk about the mechanism of duplicate closure, yet that seems to already do what you want. Do you have a problem with some culture around duplicate closure? Say, people thinking duplicates are not useful and downvoting them? Commented Apr 9 at 15:20
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    You are arguing as if closing as duplicate would be a punishment for the asker, to penalize them for not finding the answer themself. While thats not the actual intention of duplicate closures I could understand when someone perceives it as such. Do you? I am still trying to understand your point. Why does it matter wether the asker was able to find the existing Q&A once someone else did that for them?`Why should a question not be closed as duplicate when an existing answer solves their problem? (its not just rethorical questions) Commented Apr 9 at 16:29
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Fact is this.

Does it mean that the SO is almost dead? It is subjective.

To me, while I dislike categoric statements in subjective cases, the case is surely not far from what the facts say.

Does it mean that everything is over?

Might, but not for sure. On the behavior of the company is it also visible, they still fight. It is only the public platform, they also have private SE sites as a company service (among them customers like Microsoft, as far I know it), they have intellectual property, they have brand, they have databases.

Beside that, AI is now in its exponentially growing phase, just like SO was between 2008 and 2014, until the current, wonderful "curators" did take over the control. Some years, and hopefully AI won't be in exponential phase any more. Also its limitations are becoming more and more clear, I simply hate if I ask a code from it and I get a code what does almost what I wanted. I hate if the AI simply does not know the answer and then answers a bullshit, and I can not flag it for NAA.

Many thinks, they will grow until the infinite, and then it takes over the humanity / solar system / universe. I think, it will be some different, of course it does not mean, that a world ruled by a "better AI", would unavoidably contain also humans, too. Currently, AI does not exactly, what I want. It can create sample code what I can not copy-paste into my work, I must understand it and alter it.

Beside that, as the value of being a "king" here, decreased, very likely also the vehemency of the "curation" decreased. It is visible already now on the MSO.

SO, as we knew it until about 2022-2024, yes that is over. SO as an existing entity, surely not.

What will grow on the ruins, no one knows yet. We are still in decreasing tendency, but the company is investing. What we should wait for, in my opinion: I believe that we will soon reach a point, where the count of the well-receied questions does not decrease for 3 consecutive months. That will be a new balance, as something new starts. No one knows yet, what will be it.

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  • "Curation" is in apostrophes because it would mean something what you "cure". I.e. a sick thing what you fix and you make healthy again. Exactly that is what the reviewers here do not. They vote down, close and delete a lot of questions, and for all bad questions they rightfully remove, then is ten fixable, what they delete with it. That is not "curation". That is destruction, mostly. Commented Mar 2 at 15:22
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    "Curarion", noun, The action or process of selecting, organizing, and looking after the items in a collection or exhibition. This has absolutely nothing to do with "curing sickness". SO is meant to be a collection of quality Q&A, so the term "Curation" is accurate. Commented Mar 2 at 15:27
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    What's the point of posting the same rants over and over again across all these different questions? Commented Mar 2 at 15:27
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    @yivi it seems to me that the goal is to mildly annoy the "destructive meta crowd" into submission. Commented Mar 2 at 15:29
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    After reading the answer I'm still not sure, do you agree with Gergely or not? Commented Mar 2 at 20:34
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    @NoDataDumpNoContribution If the answer could be summarized into a single bit, it would be a comment or a vote. But the short summary: 1) SO as we knew it until 2022, is practically dead. 2) SO as the company and its projects/values (SE, teams, brand, database) are alive 3) While the SO is in ruins, something will grow on the ruins, no one knows yet, what will it be; it must first reach a deep point, that will soon happen. Commented Mar 2 at 20:44
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    @peterh That's a single thing. We can just wait and see what will happen there. Although it's also a possibility that nothing grows, I'd say. Commented Mar 2 at 20:47
  • Classic reason why Stack Overflow is toxic. look at all the downvotes from PeterH just for voicing his opinion to the question asked...and all the other answers in this post downvoted... Exhibit A why it's dead Commented Apr 1 at 15:50

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