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    I would argue that if adding a pepper means append the pepper directly to the password and then hash it. It's useless and Dave's bad algo wins under this situation. Commented Jul 1, 2019 at 11:41
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    @Rick Why would it be useless? Commented Jul 1, 2019 at 11:44
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    @Rick Yes, a pepper should be secret, and not stored in the database. So it is protecting against exactly the situation you describe - database leaked, code not leaked. That is what a pepper is for, so you can't compare it to increasing the length of the salt. Commented Jul 1, 2019 at 11:51
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    @Rick I'm not taking any position on how to mix in the pepper - that is outside the scope of this quesiton. Commented Jul 1, 2019 at 11:53
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    @Rick Question remains: Why would a pepper be useless? Commented Jul 1, 2019 at 11:53