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Nov 22, 2010 at 15:27 comment added Bradley Kreider I think AviD's point is that the session component could be automated in which case you are only defeating brute-forcing via browsers (ie: a person attempting brute force or ugly browser automation). The other issue is that the response delay is more likely to hit valid users, rather than discourage an automated brute-force attack. If 99% of users get it right in under 10 tries and you can't be brute forced in 10 tries, it's probably a good idea to set the limit to 10 (made up numbers for an example).
Nov 22, 2010 at 14:02 comment added Josh In this particular case it was impossible to get to this point without having session enabled. But admitedly a better approach would have been to maintain the locking statistics in the database. For us we had a certain set of event ID's being logged, and monitored. If at any point a large number of attempts had come in for the same user... we would have known pretty quickly.
Nov 22, 2010 at 10:53 comment added AviD @Dan, you're right - but they might even come from the SAME endpoint, but without a browser. And, sessionless - each request is a new session. so "session was ended" is also pointless
Nov 19, 2010 at 13:39 comment added Dan McGrath Brute force attempts quite possibly don't come from a single end point which makes the 'close browser' a moot point.
Nov 19, 2010 at 13:37 history answered Josh CC BY-SA 2.5