Timeline for Using Programmers as "learning and training area" for Stack Overflow kind questions
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| Sep 22, 2015 at 19:34 | comment | added | gnat | @MichaelT I think I understand why we are getting (more and more) off topic debugging questions, but I can't figure how to handle that. SO Triage kills coding help vampires by leaving them without answers, even without hints in comments, so they now look elsewhere. Programmers is one of the sites they try their luck at | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 21:38 | comment | added | ChrisF Mod | Er no. The first rule of migration is "don't migrate crap". Migration should only be for good quality questions that are off topic here. Poor qualify off topic questions should just be closed. | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 19:44 | comment | added | user40980 | @alk we are the largest site without any gold tag badgers (the people closest to the gold badge are still 30+ answers away - and this isn't a speed answering site). And yep, other tools would be useful. Refund close votes for questions deleted on the same day would give me back on average 3-4 more close votes. Give extra close votes, only accessible via /review would help too. Or Proposal to make close votes scale with rep. | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 19:39 | comment | added | alk | @MichaelT: (cont/) This is a conceptual issue, at least as long people are not educated (or simply do not care to invest time/brain) to provide a well crafted problem description/question (at the right place). | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 19:39 | comment | added | alk | @MichaelT: On the other hand "why do we keep getting off topic debugging questions here?": I think this lies in the nature of the SE concept, doesn't it? As SO seemed to have made clear to many users that "crap" does not pay, by consequently rejecting "crap", these folks are still trying to find other paths to reach their target with the (most probably) least effort, which was and and still is (and probably will be forever) letting someone else solve their issue/do their work. | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 19:39 | comment | added | alk | @MichaelT: Ok, I see, sry that I seem to have missed the topic. :-} However, perhaps something like SO's Dupe Hammer would help you? | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 19:22 | comment | added | user40980 | @alk that's what we are currently doing. Though it should be noted that many times the people who are active in casting close votes are out of them at this point in the day (I've been out of close votes for four hours). That's a whole 'nother ball of wax. In this post, gnat is trying to address the source - why do we keep getting off topic debugging questions here? | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 19:18 | comment | added | alk | @MichaelT: "it could easily go to 50% reject rate - and that would make our mods sad." Then why not , if getting rejected, immediately close them? | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 19:16 | comment | added | alk | "Nowadays SO wannabes pollute site more and more, and tend to obscure Programmers topics" this even more raises the need to migrate/close the questions. If those then (typically at SO) get closed and/or massively downvoted might finally educate the users. | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 19:00 | comment | added | alk | @gnat: 1st off, sry I missed to re-find your question's last sentence. 2ndly I agree on that it's not that easy to make onceself unpopular while taking care to do a good job. 3rdly I bow my head in front of 25k reviews. 4thly: Take care! :-) | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:50 | comment | added | gnat | I am quoting self, from this very question. I don't mind taking and giving Programmers topics at Programmers, SO topics at SO. I didn't even mind helping a bit with SO migrations from here in the past, when these were infrequent. Nowadays SO wannabes pollute site more and more, and tend to obscure Programmers topics | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:47 | comment | added | alk | @gnat: Not sure whom you are quoting, however: Live is taking and giving, isn't it? | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:43 | comment | added | gnat | "I come here to learn and contribute to Programmers topics, not to guide those who are scared or blocked by Stack Overflow." FWIW I don't mind guiding them at appropriate site - I made 25,000 close reviews at SO. It's just that I come to Programmers for other things | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:41 | comment | added | alk | Perhaps it's time for communications @ SE? :-) "Noone answers my seroius question. What should I do?" :-) @Micheal5 | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:33 | comment | added | alk | Btw: I added the emphasis on "consequently" by intention. "Consequence" is an educational pattern to the ones perceiving it ... ;-) | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:25 | history | edited | alk | CC BY-SA 3.0 | deleted 1 character in body |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:21 | comment | added | alk | We are here to help. Helping sometimes brings up unpleasant task like sorting "crap". Touch it, comment on it, and last, not least push it into the right direction, weather it's the bit-bucket or whereever is up to us, the ones knowing (at least a bit) better. | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:15 | comment | added | user40980 | (We currently migrate on average about two questions a day to Stack Overflow. The poor quality debugging questions that are asked here i.sstatic.net/Qf04b.png would get closed on Stack Overflow, its a problem that rears its head each September - Migrating Crap to SO. Really, Programmers?)). | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:14 | history | edited | alk | CC BY-SA 3.0 | added 4 characters in body; added 11 characters in body |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:13 | comment | added | alk | If you are sure that what you call "crap" gets closed why not just close it yourself, leaving a (generic) comment on how to ask/improve? | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:08 | comment | added | user40980 | Much of the "fix this code" questions that we get would get closed on Stack Overflow as unclear; typo; or failing to include the problem, current output, and expected output along with the minimal amount of code to reproduce the issue. That we are able to migrate to Stack Overflow is contingent on making sure that he maintain a low reject rate (its currently 9%). If we were to send all the crap that is asked here that looks like debugging, it could easily go to 50% reject rate - and that would make our mods sad. | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:07 | comment | added | gnat | that's what I always did in the past and that's what worked well back then but that's also what seems to be broken recently. Don't know if you noticed but that exactly means askers can use Programmers as training area / preview tool / trampoline for questions they wanted but were afraid to ask at SO. (there was no problem with this in the past since nobody was afraid to ask at SO) | |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 18:00 | history | edited | alk | CC BY-SA 3.0 | added 102 characters in body |
| Sep 21, 2015 at 17:50 | history | answered | alk | CC BY-SA 3.0 |