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Rob
Rob
01:33
@Nordine Lotfi: didn't know that phone company either hmm
@NordineLotfi Haven't heard of which company? - 1G uses a few different standards, NMT among them. The company SkyLink only operates in Russia. The other companies mentioned in the link are: Nokia (then Mobira), Ericsson, Storno (then owned by General Electric, later taken over by Motorola) and AP (later taken over by Philips) - I'm guessing that you've heard of those.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
02:38
@202324: @JourneymanGeek ping me to bounty cms where aret
@202324 feels at this point like it would be pointless. There's now an official response from someone in the loop for how the hires happen, and a solid timeline about something Short of the actual job ads, and hiring, which are apparently coming within the next 18 months (3 to 6 timesters? :D ) I think my goals - of getting visibility and a response to the question are met.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
03:29
:(
Mithical
Mithical
03:43
Well... it's not completed; the CM listings aren't up yet.
Catija
Catija
It's also not something that should have a status-completed tag regardless.
We don't status-complete discussions and it's not really a bug.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
yes :D
the status-review was off label too but nice to have :D
Catija
Catija
03:59
Well, it should have been a support question, then the status-review would have been fine but it still wouldn't need status-complete.
Anyway, the status-review tag now is really just a way to get it pulled into Jira and assigned to someone.
Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
04:12
Removing the tag doesn't auto-remove it from Jira, does it?
Catija
Catija
04:25
No
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@SonictheMaskedWerehog and well - tbh, its at a slightly higher and sideways place from where I suspect it would be handlable in a ticketing system :D
@Catija maybe, but ugh, tagging is my least favourite part of the SE experience cause I never have any idea what to do :D
Catija
Catija
It's easier the more you do it - like most things. I asked a question earlier on Bricks (for the first time) and I was utterly clueless about what I should tag it. :/
Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
Can also happen if you participated in a site in the past, but forgot completely about it. As an example, I asked a question on Android Enthusiasts five years after my last question there, and I didn't know which tags to use either (the tag I wanted to use didn't exist so that made the situation worse).
 
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Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
05:41
@Catija @Catija I guess you could add something to Jira by adding the tag, then removing it during the grace period. Can that be done, or is it a scheduled task that adds them?
Catija
Catija
Can, yes... generally isn't, though. We like it being visible what we're looking at.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@SonictheMaskedWerehog only that uhhhh. Why would we unless we actually wanted them to review it? :D
Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
06:14
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 18 hours ago, by Robert Columbia
Sonic the Chatting Hedgehog
Sonic the High Quality Post-hog
Sonic the Supplement Spam-hog
Sonic the Flagged Newb-hog
Sonic the Moderating Ban-hog
Interesting...

Trying to find the Sonics

18 hours ago, 40 minutes total – 59 messages, 6 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 5 secs ago by gparyani

202324
202324
06:25
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Uhhh no?
I don't work here.
If I did I would neither need to ask nor be able to answer
 
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Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
07:50
@JourneymanGeek RE your recent status-review tag: thanks for adding that, that was one thing I brought up in my February interview with Lisa
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@SonictheMaskedWerehog It was flagged and its in the current list
Credit probably belongs to the flagger
 
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user152859
08:58
user152859
user152859
@Sonic the Masked Werehog @SonictheMaskedWerehog :D
user152859
We need to change more often. ;)
Rob
Rob
09:11
@user152859 @ShadowWizardWearingMask Putting the card in your phone and pushing the button takes maybe 20 seconds, it works instantly.
Drag and Drop
Drag and Drop
09:26
Is SO relativly slow today? I get the Head but it takes 5-6 second to get page body.
rene
rene
@Drag and Drop @DragandDrop for me it is okay, no lag on Q/A pages
user profiles are a tad slower but still under 2 seconds for me
Νеvеrꭑoꭇе
Νеvеrꭑoꭇе
in case anyone was interested.
Drag and Drop
Drag and Drop
Arg Im getting the 128Kb/s experience. F12 performance tell me 22,66 second of Html analyse on a random question.. But only on a up to date Edge.

I love the only edge for security purpose policy.
Swapping to VM.
rene
rene
@Drag and Drop @DragandDrop are you on a dial-up line with an acoustic modem?
JNat
JNat
09:50
@Sonic the Masked Werehog: @JNat Cross-site spammer: https://stackexchange.com/users/17091590/cricgenie
@SonictheMaskedWerehog not quite a spammer, so I'll leave that one alone for now
@Mast: @JNat [Network-wide spammer](https://stackexchange.com/users/18336150/swift-safe?tab=accounts) with spam in user info.
@Mast gone, since they actually had posted on AskUbuntu with spam. Otherwise, generally speaking, if it's just their 'about me' that has promotional content, it should be fine (again, generally speaking... it kinda depends on the contents, for instance)
and with that, my spam tabs are gone
Drag and Drop
Drag and Drop
@rene: :8557038 are you on a dial-up line with an acoustic modem?
, Yes but sadly I have no Opera concerto version to share.
Speaking of Opera, it's slow in the VM using Opera too.
Sended a message to my network guy.
Btw did any of you downloaded(taped) game using radio? And remember waking at 3 am many days trying to not miss it.
rene
rene
10:11
Yeah, I think I did that once. I wasn't impressed and it wasn't well suited for the MSX I used back then.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
I'm just old enough for floppies :D
Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
10:37
@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek Interesting, I recently asked a floppy drive question on U&L
@rene: :8557038 are you on a dial-up line with an acoustic modem?
@rene I just replaced the modem card in my computer with a Wi-Fi card. Good to finally move along with the times.
rene
rene
lol
Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
in Root Access on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by gparyani
Am upgrading my old 1999 computer to run on modern parts. Upgraded the RAM from factory 96 MB to 384 MB, replaced old 10 GB HDD with M.2 SSD and PATA converter, installed an Nvidia GeForce FX 5600 to replace the Riva 128, replaced the modem card with a Wi-Fi card, and upgraded the PSU from 70 W to 420 W.
Mast
Mast
11:10
@JNat @JNat Thanks!
Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
11:35
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
@Sonic the Masked Werehog @SonictheMaskedWerehog Post 1: Already recently reported [ MS ]
user152859
11:46
Classic stalling of time. I'll be quiet about it for now, but if anything will really be done in less than a year I'll be really really really surprised. </rant> </going-to-relax> <coffee-is-needed>
user152859
!!/coffee
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
@user152859 @ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Latte for @ShadowWizardWearingMask
user152859
Thanks, feeling better now. :)
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
11:57
!!/mask
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
@Meta Andrew T. @MetaAndrewT. No such command 'mask'.
Mast
Mast
!!/coffee mask
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
@Mast @Mast brews a cup of jQuery for @mask
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
wow, jQuery. Lucky...
Mast
Mast
grmbl too much focus on a job description has never helped *grmbl
@Meta Andrew T. @MetaAndrewT. You should totally drop masks and use jQuery instead.
runs
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
12:00
@Mast @Mast hmm. jQuery
Mast
Mast
The joke is getting a bit out of date now we have 200+ JS frameworks, isn't it?
Feeds
Feeds
Neural networks could help computers code themselves: Do we still need human coders?
Ryan Donovan on September 16, 2020
The next big revolution in coding practice might be closer than we think, and it involves helping computers to code themselves. By utilizing natural language processing and neural networks, some researchers think that within a few years we can remove humans entirely from the coding process. If you work as a coder, you’ll be glad to hear that they are wrong.
Mast
Mast
@Feeds @Feeds Computers are still stupid I for one welcome our new robot overlords.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Mast they'd just primarily automate scraping and asking questions on SO anyway
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
ugh, now I'm imagining many AI that post legit questions on SE and other AI that post legit answers on them
Mast
Mast
12:07
@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek If the first serious attempts at world domination run on code primarily scraped from Stack Overflow, I'm sure we'll be fine.
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
(and then got suspended for sockpuppeting)
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
XKCD 810 :D
Mast
Mast
Is that the Mission. F'n. Accomplished. one?
A spam-fighter's dream.
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
!xkcd 810
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
yup
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
12:08
oh forgot, that bot is no longer exist...
Mast
Mast
Do they still onebox?
Hah.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
yes
lol
I didn't onebox it on purpose
Mast
Mast
Oh, sorry.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
its ok
want me to de-onebox? :D
Mast
Mast
5 minutes is a really long time if you've had enough coffee.
 
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mag
mag
13:16
@JourneymanGeek canine overlord cm when?
Ollie
Ollie
13:29
:D
@ShadowWizardWearingMask I didn't lose
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
13:49
@mag @mag lol. They need to put up the job, I need to apply then see if I get it lol
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@Catija can I borrow you again? there's a problem user cross-site now that needs CM targeting and handling
Catija
Catija
@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard on a walk with Gus. Is it super urgent or can it wait an hour?
mag
mag
14:07
@Journeyman Geek @JourneymanGeek canine overlord cm when
:D
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
😁
I wish I knew 🤣🤣🤣
mag
mag
I hope you know if you apply for and get that job I will put a celebratory couple hundred serial voting tickets for you on
:D
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Or if . I did apply twice already
Ollie
Ollie
I'll be going now
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Lol
mag
mag
14:10
Yvette laughted the same way when she was running for SO mod
She wasn't laughing when there were 300 pending custom flags
well, she was, but that line sounded better that way in my head
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@Catija: :8557499 on a walk with Gus. Is it super urgent or can it wait an hour?
@Catija it can wait an hour unless you want a whiny person to be cross-posting their complaints about being chat-banned for being disruptive with mod flags hitting them, and then cross-posting ot AU because the system imposed a year long chat ban because they're banned on their parent site (not Ask Ubuntu)
their thread just got mod-locked on AU Meta because their comments aren't helping things and they've been told to talk to staff via "Contact" if they feel wronged by mods
(and if they post another thread on AU they're gonna get sniped)
@Catija i'd have given details in the secret rooms but ERR:NoAccess
(something about chat doesn't like me today)
see the inactive TL for details, I gave you a superping there along with the math mods for a relevant link
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
rule #0 of moderation: everything can wait
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mag
mag
Hey art
long time no see
Spevacus
Spevacus
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
o/
mag
mag
14:18
How's it going?
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@mag tbh I am kinda losing my patience over the whole thing so I ended up deciding to gently remind them.
mag
mag
our office dog uses tactical headbutts when he is impatient
user400654
user400654
does he wear a mask
mag
mag
no, he is a dog
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@mag @mag ash tends to go for the back of the leg 🤣
mag
mag
14:24
This morning one coworker was back from vacation and the office dog obviously missed him so he got charged with maximum speed into a jump
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Lol
There's a new schnauzer pup in the neighborhood
She is tiny and is high pitched, loud and wants to make friends with everyone
mag
mag
see our office dog is entirely mute
well not entirely I have seen him bark and also squeak in excitement when seeing other dogs but it's incredibly rare
the one new employee he got agressive against is no longer working here
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
15:06
Dogs are good judges of character :)
Mithical
Mithical
Must be why we have so many dog mods
Timur Shtatland
Timur Shtatland
Hi, I wanted to chat about very general, basic questions to follow up on this MSO (not MSE) question: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/401119 . Can I chat here, or do you recommend some other chat room? I could not find any appropriate chat rooms on SO: chat.stackoverflow.com . Thank you for the help!
Mithical
Mithical
although you may not find anyone there
user400654
user400654
On SO there's "The Meta Room", though depending on what you're asking, here might be better
general questions that apply to all sites vs something specific to so
Timur Shtatland
Timur Shtatland
15:25
Thank you! I check The Meta Room, no one there (IIUC). Yes, my questions are about a general way to go about re-tagging, etc, and will be useful on other SE sites where I am active, not just on SO. So...
My questions are about this thread: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/401119 . What should I do next about implementing the retagging changes proposed in the highly upvoted single answer and accepted by me?
rene
rene
Wait for a mod to get to it.
Timur Shtatland
Timur Shtatland
Should I flag my question for moderator attention (who can change the tags)? Or do I need to post a separate question, in which I reference this thread, and tag this new question: [feature-request], [tags], [retag-request] ?
rene
rene
Here is the deal
there is a huge backlog of tag related requests on Meta
while you can try to bring yours in front of the eyes of a mod sooner that will at least push other items back in the queue.
It is relatively fresh so this is what I suggest:
Wait for october, ask a mod to feature it so it gets advertized on SO main.
That will attract maybe some more votes / opnions.
Once it loses its featured status you raise a new mod flag and ask for the accepted answer to carried out.
You could in the mean time do a clean-up of the tags involved so that once the mods take it on they don't have to worry about the mess
If you need help / support / want to keep track of your clean-up you could post a so called tracking answer as community wiki
The tracking answer would go under your current post Much like it is described here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/324070
This is the end of my monologue ...
Timur Shtatland
Timur Shtatland
@rene Thank you so much for the help and explanation! This sounds like a good plan to me. BTW, that retagging thread is not urgent, so I definitely do not want to push it to the front of others for the mods.
Yes, I can and will do the clean up of the tags myself. BTW, what happens in October - some event, or just the expected end of the huge backlog?
rene
rene
I didn't want to say 6 to 8 weeks this time so I reckoned offering next month would be enough to not give the impression to mods you want to rush this thing ...
Let's settle for: give it a bit more time ...
If I were a mod and get a flag on that one I would decline as I doubt it has gotten enough exposure / time to settle yet. But that is just my opinion.
Also worth mentioning that mods are not subject matter experts. So if they get a tag merge / burn /synonym they have to rely on the community members to get it right. And I'm sure they don't want to click buttons only to find out two hours later that they removed the PHP tag from Stack Overflow ....
Timur Shtatland
Timur Shtatland
15:45
@rene Got it. Your explanations are very useful! :)
@rene One final question. OK to create [vcf-variant-call-format] new tag now, and apply it to untagged questions, or give it more time? I have enough rep to suggest the new tag and suggest tag info/wiki, and to edit questions (these would be within my circle of competence as a bioinformatician). This way, everyone will get a more clear idea of how useful it is, and where it is all going in 6-8 weeks.
rene
rene
@Timur Shtatland @TimurShtatland creating the tag seems fine to me. I would still track that action in an answer. If you suggest excerpt and wiki make sure you don't plagiarize it and that you describe when the tag should be applied (for which type of questions / which topics etc). see: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/214337/…
My obsession for keeping a public record is because I want to be public accountable for my actions. And the records of that better be readily available. But again, that is just me.
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@Rob: :8556575 Haven't heard of which company? - [1G](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1G) uses a few different standards, NMT among them. The company [SkyLink](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Link_(Russia
@Rob Yeah, heard of those :D thought that NMT was the actual name of an isp/phone company...reread the wiki page and your post, make more sense now.
Timur Shtatland
Timur Shtatland
@rene Great! I agree with your suggestions, they all make sense. Thank you so much for the time you took to explain all of this!!!
rene
rene
16:03
No problem.
202324
202324
16:47
gime moar good rene stuff for rwwarding good answers
only one missing
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
curious, but who actually answered the most questions on SE/SO?
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@Nordine Lotfi @NordineLotfi SO Jon Skeet with 35,092 answers has the most rep, but Gordon Linoff has answered 72,750 and is expected to possibly overtake Jon in rep at some point.
Gordon has earned twice as much rep as Jon this year and is catching up on overall rep ...
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
17:21
@DavidPostill @DavidPostill Interesting! Any link where those stats can be seen? So i can follow the changes later on :D
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@DavidPostill @DavidPostill Thanks! Was easier to find than i thought.
rene
rene
@Nordine Lotfi @NordineLotfi here is a networkwide SEDE query: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1295190 so that is for one user their answer count across all sites.
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
17:42
@rene @rene Thanks :D
:8558103 first time i see a removed message from SmokeDetector hmm
Rob
Rob
@DavidPostill @DavidPostill That Linoff will overtake Skeet is a virtual certainty. While both earn well over 200/day Jon is on a downward curve while Gordon is increasing:
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Nordine Lotfi @NordineLotfi pretty common
Rob
Rob
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@Rob @Rob cool graph :o
@ArtOfCode @ArtOfCode Gotcha!
rene
rene
November 2023 is the estimate: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/400528/578411
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
17:51
@rene @rene Hehe. I'm happy to be #661 :)
Rob
Rob
But, the person who answered that question also thinks that both are capped at 20 upvotes per day (and later comments predict sooner than 2023, which would be my guess too):
@10Rep Yes...the only way it would take Gordon until 2 million to pass Jon would be if the latter becomes very active again at some point in the next 3 years, to "hold off" the former from passing. Note also at this point that both Gordon and Jon probably cap off their daily rep of 20 upvotes without having to answer many questions. They are both out for green checkmarks only at this point. — Tim Biegeleisen Aug 21 at 2:34
rene
rene
fair
Rob
Rob
Note: Gordon gets ~400 (and increasing) while Jon gets ~200 (and decreasing) - We need a rene SEDE :)
rene
rene
I predict 6 - 8 November 2023, a bit like I did here.
Rob
Rob
^^ Links to:
Atwood: uh no, I er… That's just sort of… off the top of my head.

Spolsky: [laughs] Well okay, you're doomed Jeff. There's some controversy. You, sir, are doomed, because you don't know what things you have to do.

Atwood: Yes. I know, I know.
rene
rene
18:02
@Rob @Rob the amount of accepts for Gordon Linoff is insane
Rob
Rob
18:19
> I will never match the leader Jon Skeet because who had a head start of many years. - Gordon Linoff, August 26 2014 - Man of ZERO Accepts.
user400654
user400654
there's an unending supply of garbage sql questions that doesn't show any sign of slowing
Ollie
Ollie
@Spevacus Haha.
Spevacus
Spevacus
@Ollie @Ollie Congratulations, though. I think Shadow owes you... something? Maybe? I dunno.
@Sha Pay up! The lad's got 3k!
Ollie
Ollie
@Spevacus I think fifty points of bounty.
Spevacus
Spevacus
Ah, yes. Some good ol' fashioned rep laundering.
Ollie
Ollie
18:24
@ShadowWizardWearingMask I won!
Spevacus
Spevacus
Are you sure it wasn't 500 rep points? ;)
Ollie
Ollie
@Spevacus I was being generous.
But Shadow does have 140-something K reputation.
Soo...
Spevacus
Spevacus
He places a fair few bounties for exceptional answers.
Ollie
Ollie
I only have one of those.
For now.
Mithical
Mithical
Bounties are fun
Ollie
Ollie
18:27
@Mithical Only when you're getting them.
:D
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
bounties as rewards to good answers and such are good though, but that's rare xD
Mithical
Mithical
From a quick check, I've offered over 3k rep in bounties across 4 sites
Ollie
Ollie
Just 100 here.
@ShadowWizardWearingMask it's actually 3083 rep in 87 days, so less than three months ;)
Just.
Rob
Rob
user400654
user400654
150 total in bounties offered, never using that tool again
Mithical
Mithical
18:36
It's great for rewarding existing answers. Not so great for getting new ones.
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Ollie
Ollie
These two posts are perfect examples of that.
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
lol
@Ollie i think the link is autoremoved if it receives an 'f' within the 2 minute grace period or w/e it is for things
interesting that it still responded to "why" though xD
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
@Ollie @Ollie [:8558233] You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@Ollie i'm an admin with SmokeDetector and have been for a while ;) (also help run the infra so I kind of have implicit privileges in Smokey everywhere, at least in the main places it's in)
Ollie
Ollie
Ah.
user400654
user400654
18:52
🚽
Rob
Rob
Stalagmite
A stalagmite (UK: or US: ; from the Greek σταλαγμίτης – stalagmitês, from σταλαγμίας – stalagmias, "dropping, trickling") is a type of rock formation that rises from the floor of a cave due to the accumulation of material deposited on the floor from ceiling drippings. Stalagmites are typically composed of calcium carbonate, but may consist of lava, mud, peat, pitch, sand, sinter and amberat (crystallized urine of pack rats).The corresponding formation hanging down from the ceiling of a cave is a stalactite. == Formation and type == === Limestone stalagmites === The most common stalagmites are...
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
19:06
Did you know that spam is affected by pandemics
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Ollie
Ollie
?
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Spevacus
Spevacus
That's honestly fascinating.
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
(the two green lines are the max/min peaks from before the pandemic)
low point in the pandemic is less than half of the min before pandemic
Ollie
Ollie
Is there a keyboard shortcut to run a code snippet in a question?
Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
19:15
Since when @JourneymanGeek asked the question yesterday, they added a new UX researcher position to the work here page. (But still no CM positions, unfortunately.)
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
19:27
@Ollie @Ollie maybe search on the post tagged for javascript, you might find something that work for you :D
(since I'm assuming you want to run it from your browser)
202324
202324
@ArtOfCode @ArtOfCode yes, some colleagues noted less spam, others reported no difference
Ollie
Ollie
19:38
Going now
Ta!
Aibobot
Aibobot
pretty much the places where the spam sweatshops run are in lockdown
so a lot mess manual spam
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
yup
Aibobot
Aibobot
@Sonic the Masked Werehog @SonictheMaskedWerehog Well, part of me wasn't expecting an answer to that so soon, so maybe give the wheels a few days to turn
Mithical
Mithical
@Spevacus ninja'd me... I blame mobile
Spevacus
Spevacus
I was just about to say: Sorry!
Mithical
Mithical
19:52
Your answer's more detailed in any case :D
Spevacus
Spevacus
Screenshots are nice. :)
Mithical
Mithical
What happened to the "question eligible for bounty in..." thingy?
user400654
user400654
✂️
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@Ollie: Ta!
@Ollie I'm always wondering what you mean when saying Ta! :) (just curious as it remind me of something i seen once)
@Aibobot
I believe it's not the only major reason: since a lots of spams aren't 100% automated, the human factor was (obviously) affected in some ways during the lockdown...

And even in the case it would be 100% automated, the place where it would run (local server etc) would be affected by possible cut-down on the internet/electricity (as this happened in some part during lockdown too)
Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
20:10
@ArtOfCode Is there any data analysis as to what topics tend to be spammed about more by automatic bots, and which topics are more likely to be spammed by manual human smokers spammers?
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@Sonic the Masked Werehog @SonictheMaskedWerehog probably any topics where product can be mentioned/sold imo
that, and I'm guessing any topics where it'll be relevant to post sites/links for seo ranking
Spevacus
Spevacus
I don't know if there's any data collection being done that differentiates spam based on whether it was written by a human or a robot.
That would be cool if it were, though.
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@Spevacus @Spevacus even if it can be done, let's say "statistically", it will never be accurate, since there no way to know unless you were there, physically, next to the spammer when doing the deeds (or if you know who made the attempt at least).
user400654
user400654
i mean
that's not entirely accurate
it's certainly possible detect how human something looks based on the interactions made on the page prior to submission of the post
with likely a pretty high degree of accuracy
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@user400654 @user400654 Yes, but you can also think/doubt that it can be human based (eg: someone trolling, etc)
so you can't be 100% sure
user400654
user400654
20:18
err, trolls are human
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@user400654 @user400654 that's what i said? :o
user400654
user400654
i guess i misunderstood
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
what i meant was, you can't be accurate when doing this, because even if it look like it's done by a bot, you can still think it was made by a human (eg: troll, etc)
user400654
user400654
there will always be doubt, but we don't have to let a few percentage points of error throw out all the other useful data
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@user400654 @user400654 that's true, but doubts can be opinionated, so you can't be sure of it, even if majority think it is the case (unless existing physical proof this was done by a human/bot)
still as you said, it can be useful data...
In contrast, it's easier to know what is spam or not, given context (eg: someone trying to post links for advertising, seo ranking, etc). In that case, it's really easy to get to that sweet 100% accurate goal.
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
20:46
Any stats for whoever asked the most questions? @rene
rene
rene
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@rene @rene Thanks :3
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
21:17
@Catija I hope your plate still has space for me to dump more things on it... Twitter
Catija
Catija
Just finished dinner... time for dessert?
I think sometimes I'd prefer a desert.
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Probably, aye
Feeds
Feeds
21:39
Catija
Catija
It takes true artistic talent to make a comic funny that's comprised entirely of colorful circles and text.
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
21:56
@Catija @Catija if the last half of that pic is actually real (in term of factual knowledge) then this is every more funny
also, where does the pics from feeds come from?
Ollie
Ollie
Does it look like the preview or the actual post is wrongly rendering the markdown?
Catija
Catija
@Nordine Lotfi @NordineLotfi click on the image
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@Catija @Catija :oo so the feeds is from that site, yeah.
Ollie
Ollie
22:13
Is there some sort of edits per minute limit?
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
I would think so
Ollie
Ollie
Ah.
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
other than the per-IP request limit, that is
Catija
Catija
Ollie
Ollie
Because the review is showing it as it is, but the actual post is showing it incorrectly.
Catija
Catija
22:21
@Ollie @Ollie not sure? I'm not an expert. I tend to default to "whatever behavior happens in an actual post, assume that's the "correct" behavior and the preview should present it accurately, regardless of whether the "correct" version is truly correct.
Ollie
Ollie
Still, the preview is showing something the actual post isn't.
Catija
Catija
Sure. Not arguing with that... but that's not what you're pinging me about, is it?
Ollie
Ollie
Well, I do have a good recipe for a black cherry cake
But things are rather hectic right now
So, goodbye.
Catija
Catija
Yum!
rene
rene
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Rob
Rob
22:36
@ArtOfCode: low point in the pandemic is less than half of the min before pandemic
@ArtOfCode They missed the opportunity to sell pandemic cream and pills.
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@Rob @Rob you mean, they were too busy selling those to actually spam as they usually do ;)
Sonic the Masked Werehog
Sonic the Masked Werehog
I wonder what the general cause is for differences between the client-side renderer and the server-side one. It's only when CommonMark was rolled out that all these differences began to crop up.
Rob
Rob
The chart doesn't seem to indicate that.
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
23:21
@Catija can you unfreeze that room that you and I were using for a short period?
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
weird question: any places where i can ask on how to ask/formulate a specific goal/question into the right question? (sounds confusing i know)
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@NordineLotfi so basically, "How do I ask a question?" is what you're asking?
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
it's basically a math question, but I'm unsure on how to formulate/write the question so it isn't confusing (the post won't be as confusing of course)
@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard check my message above which give a bit of background (blame internet connection, came after yours...)
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
i mean, in theory you could ask in the Mathematics room but I don't know enough about the Math chatrooms to see if they'll be receptive
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
I basically know how to explain this as a post, it's just the actual question that I'm unsure on how to formulate
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
23:24
alternatively, just aks your question and be prepared for a mini tirade of "this is confusing, this is weird, what is this"
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard Yes, haha that works too
@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard gotcha :o that' a start i guess
@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard just did, let's hope i won't get chewed too much ><
Spevacus
Spevacus
23:40
!!/ms-status
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
@Spevacus @Spevacus metasmoke is down. Current failure count: 6 (teward/Osiris)
Spevacus
Spevacus
Why'd I even check: I saw that happen in CHQ...
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
maintenance
Spevacus
Spevacus
(Sorry, accidentally pressed enter)
Side note: Glad things cooled down over there.
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@Spevacus
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 28 mins ago, by Thomas Ward
Metasmoke will be going down in approximately 15 minutes for a 30-minute outage (at most - at the least 10 minutes), the host system running the VMs has a dying drive in it and it needs replaced for the integrity of that compute node in the VMware cluster.
#YouHaveFailed :P
we're in the middle of it :P
Spevacus
Spevacus
23:44
I failed like 3 times in a row.
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
'failing compute node system drive' is usually a good reason for emergency maintenance :P
Spevacus
Spevacus
I saw that announcement, saw NobodyNada set the status to down, then came here and did !!/ms-status anyway
Also, yeah. That's not good.
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@Spevacus @Spevacus so technically that's 4 failures :P
Spevacus
Spevacus
It's pretty nice up here at the front of the failure parade.
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
it's also not nice, you're the first one to get smacked :P
Spevacus
Spevacus
23:46
Tru
Thanks for keeping the MS downtime low. We've got a review queue to smash. ;D
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
hey my pleasure. it's also simple when all i have to do is add a new drive into the RAID array on the node and let it set up. Problem is I ran out of hot-spares here (had 2, then old drives went to the crapper, so it was time to power donw, add drive, add to the RAID, and power back up)
probably'll take another 8 hours to finish becoming a primary drive but meh, the array at least is not going to be in a degraded state
Spevacus
Spevacus
You rock. Out loud.
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@Thomas Ward: :8558582 https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/55568131#55568131
@ThomasWard weird idea: if whatever Metasmoke is doing don't need too much logs/constant write on disk, you could just run it in the Ram instead, and do write periodically instead (on disk), to limit disk damage overtime
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@Nordine Lotfi @NordineLotfi it's heavy on disk I/O (database writes)
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
Too bad :/
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
23:53
this is, however, one system in a cluster of VMware nodes
and Metasmoke is virtualized so
as long as the storage arrays stay in a non-degraded state we're good :P
we also have full backups of the DB data in S3 too in case the entire cluster goes FUBAR
(though access to that data is highly restricted because of privacy)
but i digress
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
@Thomas Ward @ThomasWard how big is the DB on disk? (just curious)
I'd say less than 1TB but I don't mind being surprised
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
not that huge
Nordine Lotfi
Nordine Lotfi
less than 100GB?
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
relatively small, I have much larger VMs running on the system (and is more or less 'static storage' - how's a 1.5TB copy of the Ubuntu Primary Archives sound as a huge system in comparison to Metasmoke which is about six times larger than Metasmoke actually is)

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