What's the most important thing you learnt at school
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How to write clear prose that other people actually want to read,
How to manage a project,
How to handle big changes, with grace,
How to run a small business.
Speed reading with comprehension,
and How to sell.
Would any of these be more important than learning how to apostrophe ?
e.g in speech would it be OK (and poetical and preferable) to say the lemon's rind but not in writing as this would cause people to cringe because people wear different hats when they read.
Note lack of learning at point 2 with this last sentence.
[ January 01, 2005: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]
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1. how to learn
2. how to communicate with people
for apostrophe, I think sometimes it's much more important and interesting than actual written words. Forgot who said it:
Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard are sweeter
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I've heard it takes forever to grow a woman from the ground
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What have you learned so far in your career/school ?
I am assuming school for most people here is in the past and over..
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That just sounds ugly.
I've heard it takes forever to grow a woman from the ground
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Hope he has learnt his lesson.
Doesn't sound ugly to me at all.
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There are a number of verbs of this type (burn, dream, kneel, lean, leap, spell, spill, spoiletc.).
Apart from spelled, spilled, spoiled IMO we do not frequently use
burned, dreamed, kneeled, leaned and leaped.
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Originally posted by John Smith:
I'd also question the clause "how to apostrophe" -- there is no entry in the dictionary indicating that it can be used as a verb. And it sounds ugly, too.
To me the apostrophe has anthropomorphic qualities.
The Hindu says everything is God. The Muslim says everything is God�s.
The difference is an apostrophe. With Christianity there is great difficulty in placing the apostrophe and the apostrophe becomes clear only after death.
[ January 01, 2005: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]
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I don't see how this gives you an excuse for your sloppiness with the English language. I would have no complaints if you personalised the apostrophe (such as in "I am in love with the apostrophe", or even "The Apostrophe is greater than Jesus"), but the case of "how to apostrophe" is pure lack of literacy.
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There's nothing wrong with "how to apostrophe" -- it's just creative use of the language. Why do you need to be a misanthrope?
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I think you've put the apostrophe in one tiny bucket and left it at that. Not your fault, probably learnt from Microsoft Office Assistant with smart quotes switched off and which doesn't even distnguish between the curly apostrophe �, and the normal apostrophe '.
Try the combination of some vodka and thinking hard about the apostrophe.
@school-children who might read this. Listen to JS and don't apostrophe.
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Children's books, but
Dogs' wagging tails at dogs' bones from the Joneses' butcheries...
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[HST]: Doesn't sound ugly to me at all.
Seems like one sounds British and the other sounds American. Which makes Nick's and Helen's views rather unsurprising.
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Seems like one sounds British and the other sounds American. Which makes Nick's and Helen's views rather unsurprising.
But I'm right, right?
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Originally posted by Nick George:
But I'm right, right?
No.
How do you pronounce 'learned'? I bet it's as we pronounce 'learnt'.
burned as burnt
blessed as blest
The correct way to say "A learned man" is by pronouncing the "ned" as in the name Ned.
[ January 01, 2005: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]
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2.I never learned anything about asperger, only that I could not do nowt because I could not spell and had bad memory.
5.I never learned that loneliness is worse then hunger, cold and pain(tooth ach not included) and what I learn is school goes a long way to prevent this from happening.
3.I learned not to love money, and not be a scrooge. But being a scrooge would have helped me to manage money better then the way I done in past. Plus the love of money makes me sympefize with those who have none. I have never bought friends a round of drinks or bought a friend a present without thinking �this money would be better spend helping the poor�
4.I learned that money can�t buy you love but they didn�t tell me that it goes a long way in helping you find love.
6. I learned honesty is the best policy but they didn�t tell me that just because something is best doesn�t mean you must use it all times. Python is best programming language but it doesn�t mean you should use it for every project.
7. I didn�t learn genius is the ability to reduce the complication to the simple. I can write write/ refactor code so even a simple minded fool like me can understand it.
8. Conflict, whether it be social, economical or environmental is a natural part of nature. God will never stop lions from fighting each others so he will never stop humans either.
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Punctuation facts:
The apostrophe dates from the 16th century
the first semicolon appeared in 1494
the invention of the question mark was in the time of Charlemagne
George Orwell shunned the semicolon
punctuation directs you how to read in the way musical notation directs a musician how to play
Greek dramatists gave the world the comma, colon, and period; that the second comma in that string is known as an Oxford comma;
society's overuse of the apostrophe may indicate its imminent demise.
there's something terribly ungrammatical in "15 items or less."
from "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by someone called Truss
Happily, the author takes pains to distinguish British versus American usage in her discussions.
[ January 01, 2005: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]
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the invention of the question mark was in the time of Charlemagne
George Orwell shunned the semicolon
Who? (Excuse me - I msant, of whom?)
punctuation directs you how to read in the way musical notation directs a musician how to play
Sounds overstated, to me. Musical notation includes everything in the written form of music. Punctuation is a relatively small subset of the written form of language, which excludes such huge areas as the alphabet, spelling, and at least 95% of any given English dictionary.
Greek dramatists gave the world the comma, colon, and period;
I would argue that all people had colons, and slightly less than half had periods, long before the Greeks.
that the second comma in that string is known as an Oxford comma;
Cool. I did not know that.
society's overuse of the apostrophe may indicate its imminent demise.
A sentence fragment I have to admire for its correct punctuation (to the extent that a loosely-connected sentence fragment can have correct punctuation) even as I question its meaning. I assume you don't refer to the imminent demise of society itself, correct? I'm guessing that the idea here is that overuse results in gradual loss of meaning, which results in eventual uselessness of the apostrophe, which later results in disuse of the apostrophe. Hurm, hardly seems "imminent". Though I suppose it's easier to fight now than it may be later.
there's something terribly ungrammatical in "15 items or less."
from "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by someone called Truss
Happily,
Amazon (and its British subsidiary) list the author as "Lynne Truss". As do the book covers for both UK and US editions.
the author takes pains to distinguish British versus American usage in her discussions.
Good to know.
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Greek dramatists gave the world the comma, colon, and period;
I would argue that all people had colons, and slightly less than half had periods, long before the Greeks.
Regarding the imminence of the demise of society or the apostrophe, I fear the overuse and incorrect use of apostrophes will lead to a Babel-like world.
[ January 01, 2005: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]
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Not only did the content of his booklet cause readers to shake their heads, so did the format. As the quotes above show, Lord Timothy's spelling was atrocious, and he had no use for punctuation. After the first printing sold out, he amended the second edition. He inserted a page of punctuation marks at the end with the note: "Nowing ones complane of my book the fust edition had no stops I put in a Nuf here and thay may peper and solt it as they plese"
http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000809.php
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1. How to cheat !
2. How to make planes by papers !!
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I think the most important thing I actually learned in school was arithmetic.
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Originally posted by Warren Dew:
learned
point for Nick
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burned as burnt
blessed as blest
Well I don't know exactly how you pronounce those, but for us in the US they're usually one syllable each, except when used as an adjective (in the case of learned and blessed). The final sound is a 'd' rather than 't' though.
The correct way to say "A learned man" is by pronouncing the "ned" as in the name Ned.
Yes, since learned is used as an adjective here. Such usage is rare nowadays in the US, but we do use it occasionally. I've never heard the adjective "learned" pronounced as one syllable, except by the ignorant, or in jest:
Pepe [exchange student]: "Papa, you are so learn-ed!"
Homer: "It's pronounced 'learnd', boy- 'learnd'!"
(This joke worked much better in audio form - the point it that Homer doesn't know what he's talking about, but his mistake is understandable given that Americans use the same spelling for two different pronounciations, and the adjective form is fairly uncommon.)
[NG]: point for Nick
Hardly. You've just observed that a fellow American uses "learned" the same way you and I do. Which is remarkably irrelevant to a Brit like Helen. I don't suppose you looked at the post before Warren's? :roll:
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
"learned"
that's two!
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Originally posted by Helen Thomas:
Gerald, a Breakfast Tea drinking Briton, is profuse with his learneds.
I haven't heard him say one.
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I'm careful about apostrophes, hate apostrophes when people pluralize TLA's (sic) and, if I have time, I can usually go back and remove almost all the commas from my writing.
A good question is never answered. It is not a bolt to be tightened into place but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed toward the hope of greening the landscape of the idea. John Ciardi
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Originally posted by John Smith:
Map, what I have is the love of the language, not the hatred of the people.
If we are going to be picky
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About Society
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1) Most people in the world seem stupid.
2) Most people in the world *are* stupid.
3) Some people are very smart (even some of those who seem stupid).
4) I'm not entirely sure which of the above groups I belong to.
5) None of the above matters - AT ALL.
About Self-preservation
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1) Talking your way out of it is always easier than fighting
2) When a potential assailant is bigger, stronger and less able to respond to reason than you - RUN AWAY!!!
About Motivation
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1) Dont try so hard - its never turns out to be as crucial as it seems.
2) NEVER do too much work - There are better things to spend time on!
6) Dont worry - things always work out o.k. ....
Academically
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1)hmmm.... no sorry I'm all out of ideas!!
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"I am delighted that you have arrived in Oxford. The verb "to contact" has not."
Susan Greenfield, scientist:
"At last, at the turn of the century, IT has finally matured into adjectives such as 'cheap' and 'easy to use' with the tsunami of applications and knock-on implications it has for our lives."
She could have put it simply - IT is now so cheap and easy to use it has a big effect on our lives.
The emphasis on correct use of English words is a fear to change but once the change has happened , no one really cares.
Politicians will continue to use big words in wrongly constructed sentences to confuse us.
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2. History is written by the victor.
3. A squared plus B squared equals... well 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
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Where Frank had had had Tom had had had had had had had been the correct answer
Actually not such an important lesson, now that I come to reflect.
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