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I'm looking into whether an ungrounded metal box provides good/bad EM shielding.

This thread seems like a definite "good", for reasons of the box acting as a faraday cage : How much shielding does an ungrounded metal box provide?

But when a similar question is asked about ungrounded cable shielding, I am finding some "good" and some "bad". Here is a good: Does an ungrounded shielded cable shield at all?, and #3 of one of the answers is bad: Cable type and decreasing EMI/RFI

"If you don't ground the shield, then it is just a great receiving "antenna" for collecting all your noise, interference, EMI, RFI, etc. And then it is a great method of caacitively coupling all this noise right into your signal wire(s). It is almost worse to have an ungrounded shield than to have no shield at all."

So doesn't an ungrounded cable shield also act like a faraday cage? Is it the fact that the cable shield is physically located closer to the wires that you have to start worrying about capacitive effects?

With that logic, would it be safe to say that an ungrounded metal box provides good EM shielding granted that the electronics you are trying to protect are physically located at a sufficient distance away from the walls of the box?

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There is a big difference between mounting self-powered electronics inside an ungrounded conducting box and an ungrounded shield on a cable. Of course the electronics inside the box is protected but, if those electronics were fed from an external power source that is unprotected (i.e. not in the same "faraday cage") then you stand to make no gain.

So this is why you should ground the shield on a coax or twisted pair cable - an ungrounded shield only prevents differential voltages appearing on the signal cables. However, an ungrounded shield does not prevent common mode signals appearing on the signal wires - you must ground the shield to remove these.

It is almost worse to have an ungrounded shield than to have no shield at all.

I have to disagree with this - the limited benfit of an ungrounded shield is that it applies the same interfering signal shape and amplitude to both signal conductors like this: -

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And, providing you use a differential amplifier at the receive end, that interference is cancelled. You don't need to transmit a balanced signal from the send end but you do need to have equal wire impedances to ground at the send end and, by inference, you need equal impedance balance at the receive end.

The problem with the shield being ungrounded is the level of interference "given" to both balanced wires is much higher than in the case of a grounded shield and this means the receiver has to deal with a bigger common-mode noise signal and this is going to be harder to remove.

Would it be safe to say that an ungrounded metal box provides good EM shielding granted that the electronics you are trying to protect are physically located at a sufficient distance away from the walls of the box?

No, not really - everything inside the box is protected - everything is being wobbled up and down together and each node-to-node voltage remains the same as if there were no interference - the problem comes when you make a connection to the circuit inside the box.

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Not everything necessarily needs to actually be electrically connected to earth.

Ground loops can be problematic.

For example, most audio amplifiers are not grounded to earth through a grounding prong.

However, all the audio equipment connects to the same "ground"; all the chassises share a common "ground reference".

Turntables always need to be connected to the ground screw of the amplifier to prevent interference, but in most cases, the amplifier is not actually connected to earth.

If you have a ton of chassises connected to each other electrically, or one huge chassis, the impendance to ground via the environment is can be pretty low.

After all, a car has no ground screw, but works as a ground; that's how the radio manages to work.

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    \$\begingroup\$ No, a large chunk of steel does not function almost like earth. The static electricity of the CRT screen would also charge a thin sheet of tinfoil with very little mass. And it does not have to be metal either. An 80kg bag of conductive saltwater as electrolytic (i.e. humans) will also get charged just as well. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jan 9 at 16:26

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