Trouble designing a low pass filter

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I was trying to design a simple 3rd order low pass filter by cascading 3 first order low pass filters along with an amplifier at the end. The transfer function is straightforward:

$$ H(j\omega )=4\bigg(\frac{1}{j\big(\frac{\omega}{\omega_c}\big)+1}\bigg)^3 $$

where $$\omega_c=\frac{1}{C_f10k\Omega}$$ is the cut-of frequency. Thus when I want to make the filter have a cut off frequency at 1KHz I simply replace values and figure out Cf:

$$ C_f=\frac{1}{2\pi\times f_c\times10k\Omega}=\frac{1}{2\pi\times10^3\times10\times10^3}\approx16nF $$

However the circuit below when simulated gives me a cut-off frequency of 500Hz. What am I getting wrong?

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^{simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab}

Barry · Accepted Answer · 2019-12-06 00:00:30Z

You cascaded 3 filters each with a cutoff frequency of 1 kHz. Since the cutoff frequency is defined as the frequency where the filter is 3 dB down, your cascaded filters will be 9 dB down at 1 kHz. The actual cutoff frequency of your cascaded filters is that for which the gain of each individual filter is 1 dB down which will be lower than 1 kHz. Your simulation shows it to be 500 Hz. If you really want a cascaded filter cutoff frequency of 1 kHz. you will have to increase the cutoff frequency of each of the 3 separate filters.

That makes a lot of sense... Any tips on a straightforward way to get the overall cut off frequency? (The -3dB frequency) — Bidon
– Bidon, Commented Dec 6, 2019 at 0:04
You can simply plot out of the response of a single stage filter and note the relationship between the 1 and 3 dB down frequencies. For example, assume the 1 dB down frequency is 60% of the 3 dB down frequency. Then, if you want a 3 stage filter to have a 1 kHz cutoff, you should design each stage to have a cutoff of 1/(0.6) or 1.67 kHz. — Barry
– Barry, Commented Dec 6, 2019 at 1:01

Justme · Accepted Answer · 2019-12-06 00:00:51Z

If you think for a moment, single filter will have -3db cut-off point at 1kHz, then next filter added to it will also have -3dB point at 1kHz the total attenuation is -6dB at 1kHz, and same goes when the third filter is applied.

TimWescott · Accepted Answer · 2019-12-06 00:01:02Z

What am I getting wrong?

Either your definition of cut-off frequency, or the relationship between the cut-off frequencies of individual elements of a critically-damped filter and the overall cutoff frequency.

Each element has a 3dB cutoff frequency of 1kHz. Because you're cascading identical transfer functions, the effect of these filters add in log-amplitude (i.e., their responses expressed as dB add). So you're seeing a gain of -9dB at 1kHz, which is exactly what you should expect given how you designed the thing.

If you want to define the cutoff frequency as the 3dB-down point, then adjust the capacitor values. Otherwise, define "cut off" as 9dB down, declare victory, and hide where they can't find you.

a concerned citizen · Accepted Answer · 2019-12-06 18:54:37Z

What the other answers say it's true, I'll just add that what you have there is a repeated convolution between an input signal and the same kernel, three times, and repeated convolution converges towards a Gaussian response, exp(-x²).

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