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Jeeps ([personal profile] jeeps) wrote2014-07-26 04:09 pm
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on steve rogers and suicide

(originally posted here)

I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with the way we talk about Steve Rogers dropping his shield and refusing to fight Bucky. it's a complex moment, granted, but it's not a suicidal one. and reading it as such discredits his character and the choices he actually makes, throughout the film and in this scene in particular.

Steve is clearly still grieving when we catch up with him at the beginning. he's certainly lonely. at the same time, he's reached a stage of his grief where he's trying to move on: he's actively taking steps to integrate himself into the world he's found himself in (the list, serving and trying to find a place with SHIELD, hell, did you guys notice all the art he's bought for his apartment?) and, most importantly, he's trying to forge connections with people. he's trying very much to forge trust. and the thing is that he succeeds. he makes active choices to trust people, not simply defaulting as a matter of circumstance. he seeks out Sam for shelter; he tells Natasha, "I would now"; he keeps Nick's seemingly last secret before knowing what it is. and for Steve, there is no compartmentalization: if you are trusted, you are also a friend. he makes the connections he was seeking. he finds something worth fighting for. it just happens one of those things is Bucky.

things shift drastically when Steve discovers Bucky's alive. Bucky is the thrust for everything that comes after. there are some great thoughts on that here which I won't try to duplicate, but suffice to say that Steve is who he is because of Bucky, that his connection to Bucky was not only strong but formative, as a human being ("Even when I had nothing I had Bucky"; "The thing is, you don't have to"; "Right, 'cause you got nothin' to prove") and as a force for good (he became Captain America in earnest when he rescued Bucky from enemy hands, Bucky then became his right hand, and Steve won the then-war against Hydra in the wake of Bucky's fall). however, this doesn't invalidate anything that's come before, the other connections Steve has made that tie him to the present even as he's being forced to look at the past. he still trusts the people he's chosen to trust, with monumentally important tasks. he still chooses to put trust in people by appealing to the agents at SHIELD.

because the thing about Steve, the thing people are missing here, is that he puts faith in other people. the belief he has in himself the very first time we see him, insisting he can fight a war despite all evidence to the contrary, is a belief he has always extended to others. long after his own strength eclipsed theirs. he chooses an ordinary group of soldiers as his Commandos. he makes Bucky his right hand. he never questions Peggy's ability to wade into battle with him. he tells Clint to suit up after he's been brainwashed. he tells Hulk to smash and trusts him to know his targets. he gives Natasha a boost onto a Chitauri vehicle. he gets Sam his wings. he lets SHIELD take down SHIELD, from Fury, Natasha and Hill to the nameless agent who refuses to launch the helicarriers. Steve believes in other people to the extent he needed to be believed in to become who he is. and that is all the way.

that is what's happening on the helicarrier when he drops his shield. he can't make Bucky remember him. he has never been a man who would try. Bucky has to choose to remember. he can only choose if Steve lays down his shield. Steve cannot be a weapon or even a defense. the only way Bucky will have the autonomy denied to him for so long is for Steve to make himself a lifeline. one that Bucky can take or not. it's not a suicidal act. please don't equate the willingness to give your life for another person with a death wish. it is an act of devotion. it is an act of love. here, it is also an act of belief in Bucky's ability to choose, a belief in his humanity. calling it suicide misses the whole point.

[personal profile] carotid 2014-07-27 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I also find it curious that people would refer to such an act from Steve as "suicidal" when Steve putting his life where he feels it needs to be, regardless of personal risk, is... pretty much his M.O. in life. And always has been. I mean, this is the dude who JUMPED ON TOP OF WHAT HE COMPLETELY BELIEVED TO BE A LIVE GRENADE and WENT ON AN UNAUTHORIZED SOLO RESCUE MISSION BEHIND ENEMY LINES. Steve may have started out CAWS in a not-good place of mind, but if anything, him throwing his all into something is Steve getting back to being normal Steve.

[personal profile] carotid 2014-07-28 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
I also find it interesting when looking at the movie with an eye toward gender and media, that in a genre where the standard hero is this kind of hyped-up, stoic, traditional masculine figure, the climactic action by the hero -- and not just any hero, but Captain America -- is one of surrender. (Not in the sense of giving up, but very much putting the outcome into another's hands.) Which is truly the strongest, most right thing that could be done at that moment.
kiezh: Captain America's shield falling (from the end of Cap 2) (cap shield falling)

[personal profile] kiezh 2014-07-27 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you, and I agree completely. That scene isn't Steve giving up; it's Steve digging in his heels and telling the universe "no, YOU move." Which is, as the previous commenter pointed out, very much in character for Steve.

Continuing the psychological fight to save Bucky is very much of a piece with struggling to replace the chip (with multiple gunshot wounds) to save the people Hydra targeted. Protecting other people is a higher priority to Steve than his own personal survival, and it always has been. That's not at all the same thing as actually wanting to die. (As I have personal reason to know.)

I especially like your comment that Steve chooses to be a lifeline, rather than a weapon or a defense.

(Hi! I wandered here from... I'm not sure where... and I like your meta.)
goodbyebird: Batman returns: Catwoman seen through a glass window. (Avengers I will fight you)

[personal profile] goodbyebird 2014-07-28 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Risking your life for something that's clearly worth it does not constitute suicidal intent, plus it's a trait inherently present in Steve from the very beginning - and that's not even taking into account that the only possible way to try and pierce through the Winter Soldier persona/conditioning to draw out Bucky is by actively disengaging with the behavioral patterns that persona is deeply rooted in. Steve absolutely made the right call there. And when the other option was to basically kill his best friend who was in no way in control of his actions? How exactly can anyone see that gelling with who Steve is as a person?

tl;dr great meta, thanks for sharing :)