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Context: The real numbers were constructed using Cauchy sequences of rational numbers, where every real corresponds to the equivalence class of a rational Cauchy sequence. The fact that $\mathbb{R}$ is Cauchy complete will be used later to prove the Least Upper Bound Property, so we can't use that here.

The following proof was provided for $\mathbb{R}$ being Cauchy complete. Note that $\mathbb{Q}$ being dense in $\mathbb{R}$ has already been proven and the definition of absolute value mentioned in the proof is this one:

Definition. Let $x\in\mathbb{R}$. The absolute value function $|\cdot |:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}_{\geq 0}$ is defined by \begin{equation*} |x| := \begin{cases} x, & x\geq 0 \\ -x, & x<0 \end{cases} \end{equation*} Furthermore, when considering $x$ as the equivalence class of a Cauchy sequence $\left(x_n\right)$, we may define the absolute value function by \begin{equation*} \left|\left[\left(x_n\right)\right]\right| := \lim_{n\to\infty} \left|x_n\right|. \end{equation*}

Now the proof.

Proof: To prove that $\mathbb{R}$ is Cauchy complete, we wish to show that for all Cauchy sequences $\left(x_n\right)\in\mathbb{R}$, $\exists x\in\mathbb{R}$ such that $\lim_{n\to\infty} x_n = x$. Because $\mathbb{Q}$ is dense in $\mathbb{R}$, it is sufficient to show that for all Cauchy sequences $\left(x_n\right)\in\mathbb{Q}$, $\exists x\in\mathbb{R}$ such that \begin{equation*} \lim_{n\to\infty} \left[\left(x_n,x_n,\ldots\right)\right] = x. \end{equation*} Let the desired $x$ be $x=\left[\left(x_1,x_2,\ldots\right)\right]$. We may observe that $x\in\mathbb{R}$ since $\left(x_n\right)$ is Cauchy sequence of rational numbers (assumed above). Then, by our original statement, we wish to show that \begin{equation*} \lim_{n\to\infty} \left[\left(x_n,x_n,\ldots\right)\right] = \left[\left(x_1,x_2,\ldots\right)\right]. \end{equation*} By definition, this is equivalent to \begin{equation*} \lim_{n\to\infty} \left|\left[\left(x_n,x_n,\ldots\right)\right] - \left[\left(x_1,x_2,\ldots\right)\right]\right| = 0. \end{equation*} Then by the definition of absolute value: \begin{equation*} \lim_{n\to\infty} \left|\left[\left(x_n,x_n,\ldots\right)\right] - \left[\left(x_1,x_2,\ldots\right)\right]\right| = \lim_{n\to\infty} \lim_{m\to\infty} \left|x_n - x_m\right|. \end{equation*} Finally, the limit on the right is $0$ because $\left(x_n\right)$ is Cauchy, which is equivalent to what we originally wanted to show: \begin{equation*} \lim_{n\to\infty} \left[\left(x_n,x_n,\ldots\right)\right] = x. \end{equation*}

My problem: First of all, I'm not clear on the notation. Is $\left(x_n,x_n,\ldots\right)$ an infinite sequence where each term is the $n^{\text{th}}$ term of $\left(x_n\right)$?

Second, if that's the case, why is it sufficient to show that \begin{equation*} \lim_{n\to\infty} \left[\left(x_n,x_n,\ldots\right)\right] = \left[\left(x_n\right)\right]. \end{equation*} (Where $[(x_n)]=[(x_1,x_2,\ldots)]$). Isn't that kind of... self-evident?

Third, I don't understand the premise. Why does $\mathbb{Q}$ being dense in $\mathbb{R}$ $\implies$ it is sufficient to show that for all Cauchy sequences $\left(x_n\right)\in\mathbb{Q}$, $\exists x\in\mathbb{R}$ such that \begin{equation*} \lim_{n\to\infty} \left[\left(x_n,x_n,\ldots\right)\right] = x. \end{equation*} Seeing as how $(x_n)\in\mathbb{Q}$, $[(x_n,x_n,\ldots)]$ is basically just a rational number in $\mathbb{R}$. So, we're saying that the limit of a rational number is equal to a real?

Note: I've looked at this question, but the proofs are completely different, especially since the proof in the above question uses the least upper bound property.

Any help would be much appreciated.

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  • $\begingroup$ The density part is simple, if you had nonrational terms you can squeeze the points in between terms that are rational due to density as close as you like, then use the squeeze theorem to show they have the same limit $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 8:43
  • $\begingroup$ Which non-rational part are you talking about? Although it doesn't matter in the sense that I don't get how that applies here. To squeeze irrational points between rational ones, I would need at least two rational numbers, no? But in both cases, the proof uses $[(x_n,x_n,\ldots)]$, which is a sequence of a single rational number. Sorry but I'm still lost. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 8:55
  • $\begingroup$ The part where it says "Since $\mathbb{Q}$ is dense in $\mathbb{R}$. to prove cauchy in $\mathbb{R}$, normally you would have to show an arbitrary cauchy sequence of real numbers (Themselves equivalent classes of cauchy rational sequences) converge. Since the rationals are dense, it is enough to show that an arbitrary cauchy sequence of rational real numbers converge (Note rational real numbers are themselves equivalence classes of cauchy sequnces of rationals that can be represented by just the constant sequence of that rational number over and over) $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 21:50
  • $\begingroup$ Thanks, together with FShrike's answer, this makes sense now. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 22:43

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They seem to saying the following:

Suppose $(x_n)_n$ is a Cauchy sequence of rationals. For each $n$, consider the real number $\alpha_n$ represented by the constant (trivially Cauchy) sequence $[(x_n,x_n,\cdots,x_n,\cdots)]$. That is, $\alpha_n$ is the image of $x_n$ under the natural embedding $\iota:\Bbb Q\hookrightarrow\Bbb R$.

We want to show $\lim_n\alpha_n=x$ for some $x$. If we take $x$ to be the real number represented by $(x_1,x_2,\cdots,x_n,\cdots)$, then we can show $\lim_n\alpha_n=x$ as desired.

Therefore, any Cauchy sequence of rationals has a limit in $\Bbb R$.

There are some points here. The zero$^{th}$ point is that the definition of the absolute value function in terms of $\lim_n|x_n|$ is nonsense if we haven't yet established that all Cauchy sequences converge. $[(x_n,\cdots)]-[(x_1,\cdots)]$ converges to zero because for all rational $\epsilon>0$ there exists an $N\in\Bbb N$ such that $m,n\ge N$ implies $|x_n-x_m|<\epsilon$, so by definition of the ordering in $\Bbb R$, I know $|[(x_n,\cdots,)]-[(x_1,\cdots)]|<\iota(\epsilon)$ for $n\ge N$. Then it follows for any real $\epsilon>0$ that there is $N$, $n\ge N$ implies $|[(x_n,\cdots)]-[(x_1,\cdots)]|<\epsilon$.

Firstly, we must make sure that the notion of limit and the notion of "Cauchy sequence" is independent of the choice of representative elements.

Secondly, we must satisfy ourselves that a sequence of "rationals" $(\iota(x_n))_n\in\Bbb R$ is Cauchy in $\Bbb R$ iff. it is Cauchy in $\Bbb Q$. Really, we would like to know that $\iota$ is an isometric embedding of metric spaces (though, 'metric space' involves the notion of $\Bbb R$, so this is possibly circular language). Because then there is no ambiguity when referring to "Cauchy sequences of rationals".

Thirdly, we must check that any Cauchy sequence of reals can be well approximated by a Cauchy sequence of rationals, in the sense that a limit of the latter sequence will also be a limit of the former sequence. Then what the authors have shown will show $\Bbb R$ is complete.

I'll address the third point, I recommend you have a think about the first two points. The strategy I present is a more general one and is an over complication in this case. The simpler way: if $\beta_n$ is a Cauchy sequence of reals then rational numbers $\alpha_n\in(\beta_n,\beta_n+2^{-n}$ and $\gamma_n\in(\beta_n-2^{-n},\beta_n$ can be chosen by density, and $\alpha,\gamma$ will be Cauchy sequences too. They will then converge (by the first lemma) to have the same limit, and by squeezing $\beta$ has this limit too. So the limit exists!

The general way:

Let $(\beta_n)_n$ be a Cauchy sequence of reals. Let $(\alpha_{n,m})_m$ be a sequence of rationals representing $\beta_n$. With no loss of generality, we can take $|\alpha_{n,m}-\alpha_{n,m+1}|<2^{-(1+m)}$ for all $n,m$.

Then we can show the following:

  • The sequence $(\alpha_{n,n})_n$ is Cauchy (in $\Bbb R$ or in $\Bbb Q$)
  • As a Cauchy sequence of rationals, it has a limit $x\in\Bbb R$
  • $x$ is also a limit for the sequence $\beta_n$

Concluding the proof. This template works in general for constructing the completion of any metric space.

Fix a (rational) $\epsilon>0$. There is an $N$, s.t. $i,j\ge N$ implies $|\beta_i-\beta_j|<\epsilon/3$. There is an $M$, $2^{-M}<\epsilon/3$. Then whenever $n,m\ge\max(N,M)$ we have: $$|\alpha_{n,n}-\alpha_{m,m}|\le|\alpha_{n,n}-\alpha_{n,k}|+|\alpha_{n,k}-\alpha_{m,k}|+|\alpha_{m,k}-\alpha_{m,m}|<\epsilon$$

Where $k\ge M$ is chosen from $|\beta_n-\beta_m|<\epsilon/3$, implying $|\alpha_{n,j}-\alpha_{m,j}|<\epsilon/3$ for sufficiently large $j$. We also used the simplifying assumption $|\alpha_{a,b}-\alpha_{a,b+1}|<2^{-(1+b)}$ for all $a,b$ which implies by geometric series that $|\alpha_{a,c}-\alpha_{a,b}|<2^{-\min(b,c)}$.

Hence the diagonal sequence is Cauchy.

I claim the sequence in $\beta$ converges to $[(\alpha_{1,1},\alpha_{2,2},\cdots)]$ now that we have established it is Cauchy and thus represents a real. We need to show, for all $\epsilon>0$ there is $N$, $n\ge N$ implying $|\alpha_{n,m}-\alpha_{m,m}|<\epsilon$ for all large $m$, where “large” depends on $n$. There is $K$, $n,m\ge K$ implying $|\alpha_{n,n}-\alpha_{m,m}|<\epsilon/2$ and there is $M$, $2^{-M}<\epsilon/2$. $N:=\max(M,K)$ suffices as: $$|\alpha_{n,m}-\alpha_{m,m}|\le|\alpha_{n,m}-\alpha_{n,n}|+|\alpha_{n,n}-\alpha_{m,m}|$$So for $n\ge N$ and “large $m\ge N$”, the intended inequality is satisfied.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thank you for your answer, it has cleared some things up. However, I'm unclear about some of what you bring up. Firstly, I'm not familiar with with your $(\alpha_{n,m})_m$ notation. I looked on wikipedia and apparently this is a 'sequence of sequences', but I'm not sure what these sequences would be in this case. Second, I don't see why it is sufficient to show that $(\alpha_{n,n})_n$ is Cauchy. Wouldn't I need to show that $(\alpha_{n,m})_m$ is Cauchy? $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 22:43
  • $\begingroup$ @Trisztan $(\alpha_{n,m})_m$ is Cauchy by very definition. The notation $(\alpha_{n,m})_m$ just indicates the sequence $\alpha_{n,1},\alpha_{n,2},\alpha_{n,3},\cdots$ which represents $\beta_n$. The diagonal sequence $(\alpha_{n,n})_n$, being Cauchy, will have a limit $x\in\Bbb R$. Using the same $N,K$ trick should find $\beta_n\to x$ in $\Bbb R$ $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 22:52
  • $\begingroup$ Ah ok, that makes sense now. However, I'm a bit unclear on your terminology. By 'represents $\beta_n$', do you mean that $\beta_n = [(\alpha_{n,1}, \alpha_{n,2},\ldots)]$, or do you mean that $[((\beta_n)_n)] = [(\alpha_{n,1}, \alpha_{n,2},\ldots)]$? $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 23:17
  • $\begingroup$ @Trisztan I mean $\beta_n=[(\alpha_{n,1},\cdots)]$. I apologise for the incorrect proof (why is it incorrect?) and hope to fix it tomorrow $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 23:26
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    $\begingroup$ That's ok, your answer has already helped me quite a bit, thank you. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 29, 2023 at 23:28

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