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simple push pull amp

I have some difficulties regarding this single supply diode biased push pull amplifier.

Every book and video out there says when one transistor is on the other will be off - just as simple as that. Nobody tried to explain it, and they say that's the working principle of the circuit.

Since this circuit is two emitter followers connected together, the voltage at the emitter follows whatever voltage magnitude is at the base by distance of one diode drop let say typical value 0.7V. I thought this distance of voltage or voltage difference between emitter and base is kept to this value all the time (360° of input signal.)

Let use numerical. This is my assumption:

For the circuit given above, at some point when Vin rise to +2V, the voltage at the base of the NPN transistor rises to +8.7V and the emitter rises to +8V.

At the same time, the PNP transistor base rises to 7.3V and its emitter to +8V which result (-0.7V) for the transistor, which is enough voltage magnitude to keep it on and i am not seeing off state.

This assumption is true for the negative cycle of input signal.

So how is the lower transistor(PNP) switched off? For a transistor to be off, its voltage difference between base and emitter should be less than 0.7 volt and this is not happening because the base of the PNP is -0.7 to its emitter.

I thought the voltage difference between bases and emitter is 1.4 for both and 0.7 for single transistor and kept constant, so how?

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    \$\begingroup\$ The midpoint of diodes is at 6 V. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 31, 2024 at 10:46
  • \$\begingroup\$ Think about the idle current which is quite low and think about the load current which is quite high .now you can see the switching point \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 31, 2024 at 10:51
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Antonio51 yes its 6V iforgot to edit it.. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 31, 2024 at 11:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Autistic please elaborate it a little bit... It would be useful more usefull if you prove it by numbers at +2V of my interest for both transitor 🙏🏾🙏🏾 \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 31, 2024 at 11:30
  • \$\begingroup\$ @sura keneni, I think I managed to answer your main question - "how is the lower transistor (PNP) switched off", convincingly illustrated with conceptual simulations. I will be glad if this satisfies you. I would be happy to answer any further questions. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 1, 2024 at 20:25

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Basic idea

The OP's circuit is a single-supply AC complementary emitter follower where the input voltage is shifted upwards and the output voltage is shifted downwards by half the supply voltage. Both transistors smoothly change their conductivity in opposite directions, with one of them being non-conducting at any given moment.

CircuitLab experiments

The simulations below can help find the answer.

DC simulation

To get a good intuitive idea of circuit operation, we can apply the following three tricks:

  • By replacing capacitors with equivalent DC voltage sources, we can simplify the analysis of this AC circuit and treat it as a DC circuit. This approach enables us to readily observe voltages and currents by the help of CircuitLab DC Live Simulation tool (hovering the mouse over the circuit elements).

  • Then we can replace the AC input voltage source by three DC voltage sources for each case - 0, 1 and -1 V.

  • Finally, we can replace the 1 kΩ load by a voltmeter with the same resistance.

Vin = 0 V: The "capacitor" C1 "lifts" the zero input voltage to 6.7 V, and the "capacitor" C2 to 5.3 V. Thus each of the two base-emitter junctions is biased with 0.7 V (1.4 V between the bases in total). The voltage at the midpoint between the diodes and the output common emitter voltage is equal to 6 V. The capacitor C3 "moves" this voltage down to 0 V across the load.

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Equivalent circuit: Another trick to imagine what the two transistors Q1 and Q2 do is to think of them as a voltage divider of two resistors R1 and R2. The next trick is to determine their resistance by reading the voltage and current across the transistors in the schematic above and calculating the resistance. Note that this is an instantaneous resistance because the collector-emitter sections of the transistors represent non-linear resistances.

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Conclusion: At Vin = 0 V, both transistors are semiconducting with equal resistance. So the "divider's gain" is 0.5, and the emitter voltage is Vcc/2 = 6 V.

Vin = 1 V: If the input voltage increases, this change is transmitted through the capacitors C1 and C2 to the bases of the two transistors.

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It forces Q1 to reduce its "resistance" (R1) and Q2 to increase it (R2). The divider's "gain" and accordingly the emitter voltage, increases.

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Vin = -1 V: Now the voltages change in the opposite direction, downward.

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R1 increases, R2 decreases

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DC Sweep Simulation: Let's now sweep (change linearly) Vin to see the graphs of voltages...

STEP 1 voltages

... and currents.

STEP 1 currents

AC simulation

Two "shifting" capacitors: Finally, let's replace the "shifting" voltage sources with capacitors and the DC input voltage source with an AC voltage source, and explore the real AC circuit.

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STEP 2.1

One "shifting" capacitor: It is interesting that the circuit can be implemented by only one "shifting" capacitor connected between the input source and the middle point between diodes.

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STEP 2.2

It can be even connected to some of the diode ends - to D2's cathode...

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STEP 2.3

... or to D1's anode.

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I suppose that the 2-capacitor circuit can provide higher base currents that is important in the case of heavy load.

Answering the OP's questions

The time has come to give concrete answers to the OP's questions.

  1. Every book and video out there... says when one transistor is on the other will be off...

The research above shows that this is not always true.

  1. I thought the voltage difference between bases and emitter is 1.4 for both and 0.7 for single transistor and kept constant, so how?

Your reasoning is correct. The two transistors are almost always conducting but to different degrees, and are complementary. Figuratively speaking, their "resistance" cross-fades from one to the other. The higher the load current, the greater this difference, and at some point one of the transistors is almost off. The other transistor never enters saturation because its collector-emitter voltage cannot approach zero.

  1. So how is the lower transistor(PNP) switched off? For a transistor to be off, its voltage difference between base and emitter should be less than 0.7 volt and this is not happening because the base of the PNP is -0.7 to its emitter.

In order to definitively clarify this conceptual phenomenon, I propose modeling it with a simpler electrical circuit where the base-emitter junctions of the transistors are substituted with voltmeters having a 1 kΩ internal resistance, as well as the load. Also, to simplify and tidy up the circuit, let's use a bipolar power supply.

Vin = 0 V, RL=100 kΩ: Let's first apply zero input voltage or simply remove the input voltage source, and make the load high resistance (100 kΩ).

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What we and the OP see does not surprise us. The total 1.4 V bias voltage Vbb across the circuit of two diodes in series is distributed equally (0.7 V each) on the two base-emitter junctions (the voltmeters Vbe1=1k and Vbe2=1k). This is because the common emitter voltage (across the load RL=100k) is 0 V.

Vin = 1 V, RL=100 kΩ: Now let's increase with 1 V the input voltage. The total 1.4 V voltage across the diodes and base-emitter junctions does not change, only "moves" up. Since the load has high resistance, the common emitter point follows Vin, and Vbe1 = Vbe2 = 0.7 V as above.

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Vin = 1 V, RL=1 kΩ: Now let's significantly decrease the load resistance (RL = 1 kΩ). The total 1.4 V voltage does not change but now it is distributed unequally across the two base-emitter junctions. As you can see, Vbe2 is only 367 mV.

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Vin = 1 V, RL=100 Ω: If we further decrease the load resistance, Vbe2 will even become negative, and the Q2's base-emitter junction will be backward biased.

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Nonlinear resistors (PN junctions): As per the OP's comment below “is it ok to have voltage drop greater than diode voltage drop”, let’s replace the linear resistors Rbe1 and Rbe2 with nonlinear ones (diodes acting as base-emitter junctions). Since they decrease their resistance when the current increases, the voltage drop can’t be “greater than diode voltage drop”.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ ....The way you replaced base-emmiter juction with voltmeter having 1k internal resistance with different load resistance indeed produce different voltage share between both base-emmiter. especially at 1V input and load 100ohm the upper junction shared it by 1.533v out of 1.4v.. So does this "un equal share" out of 1.4 V happen in real diode inside base emmiter junction? And if happen is it ok to have voltage drop greater than diode voltage drop?? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2, 2024 at 6:01
  • \$\begingroup\$ @sura keneni, The purpose of my qualitative explanation is to reveal the main idea, the concept upon which the circuit is built. In this case, details are unnecessary; they only hinder our ability to see the big picture (as the saying goes, "we can't see the forest for the trees"). The base-emitter junction resistance is nonlinear (it changes dynamically), but in our case, this is insignificant for understanding the phenomenon and would only distract from the main idea. Therefore, we can replace it with a simpler linear resistor and even combine it with a voltmeter... \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2, 2024 at 11:56
  • \$\begingroup\$ The main property of the emitter follower is that the emitter voltage tracks (follows) the base voltage; the higher the load resistance, the better this tracking. So, in the ideal case (extremely high load resistance), the difference between the two voltages (0.7 V base-emitter voltage or total 1.4 V in the complementary emitter follower) does not change when the input base voltage varies. This is your observation as well… \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2, 2024 at 11:58
  • \$\begingroup\$ However, as we increase the load (decrease its resistance), the emitter voltage decreases proportionally. In this case, the base-emitter voltage of one transistor increases while that of the other decreases, but the total 1.4 V across the two series-connected junctions remains constant. To answer your “is it ok to have voltage drop greater than diode voltage drop”, I have added another schematic (3.5) where the linear resistors are replaced by nonlinear ones (diodes). As you can see, the voltage drop is not “greater than diode voltage drop”. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2, 2024 at 12:02
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With the exception of your claim (from the diagram) that the junction of the two diodes is 0V (it's not, it is +6V), I think your reasoning is good.

In fact, what you have observed is a fundamental flaw in this design, that both transistors are indeed switched on, at least partially. That will naturally lead to a (fairly) short circuit between the two supply rails via the transistors. That's a big problem with this design, and is evident in a simulation:

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I've reduced R1 and R2 to exaggerate the problem, but the point is that there's a large current flowing down through Q1 and Q2 even without any load connected. The usual solution is to add "ballast " (emitter degeneration) in the form of resistances between the emitters:

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Since each of these resistors R3 and R4 will develop a small voltage across them, due to quiescent current, they have the effect of reducing the potential difference \$V_{BE}\$ between the base and emitter of their respective transistor. Consequently, the transistors tend to switch off somewhat, reducing quiescent current.

Obviously this technique increases the output resistance of the system, which is not ideal, but as long as the load impedance is significantly larger in comparison, it's a small price to pay for reduced quiescent current.

Often we employ negative feedback in a closed loop to overcome this shortcoming. For illustration I'll replace the diodes with a fixed 1.4V source, because that's what R1, R2, D1 and D2 are there to do:

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I've added a heavy load, R5, and this is a plot of \$V_{IN}\$ (blue) and \$V_{OUT1}\$ (orange, left circuit open loop):

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As you can see, the output is an attenuated version of the input, so gain is a little less than unity due to the emitter resistors.

On the right though, by closing the loop, the op-amp is able to compensate for the undesired attenuation. I won't plot it here, because the input and output waveforms are identical, but you can simulate it for yourself.

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TS --"H is the lower transistor switched off? For a transistor to be off, its voltage difference between base and emitter should be less than 0.7 volt and this is not happening because the base of the PNP is -0.7 to its emitter."

It's only around -0.7V when the transistor is on (looks rather like a forward biased diode). When it's off, the base-emitter voltage can be anything down to 0V or positive voltage (within its reverse bias limits).

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The thing to keep in mind is that transistors are current controlled devices. They turn on when current flows across the base-emitter junction.

But there's a catch: the base-emitter junction is a diode with forward voltage drop (Vbe) of 0.7V. For a signal to turn on the transistor, it needs to be shifted by one Vbe voltage.

That's what the two diodes do. They introduce a bias to the AC coupled input to overcome the transistor Vbe voltages. The two diodes together offset the bases by 2*Vbe, or 1.4V.

The input signal is AC coupled to the bases. It can be coupled to just one base, or between the two diodes with practically equal effect.

Biased this way, we now have a set of voltage followers that conduct alternately, depending on the signal polarity:

  • Idle midpoint: circuit self-biases to half voltage. Neither transistor is "on", except for a bit of idle current
  • Signal positive: upper transistor conducts, output follows it up
  • Signal negative: lower transistor conducts, output follows it down

Here's a sim to try (simulate it here):

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Pay particular attention to what the base currents are doing. That's the 'pushing' and 'pulling' action, activating each follower in turn as each base-emitter sees forward bias.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Quote: "keep in mind is that transistors are current controlled devices". This statement is provably wrong. Clearly, the BJT is a transconductance device, More than that: The circuit works not under class-B operation (onIoff). Instead, both transistors are conducting due to 1.4 volts between both base nodes. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 31, 2024 at 19:31
  • \$\begingroup\$ @hacktastical my confusion started with the concept of current mirroring that made me blindly to ignore completly the effect of base current to load current.... Now am seeing it.. But the truth is both transistor are always on(ready to conduct) but they only "conduct the signal" depending on their polarity of their current direction. I. e for +ve input signal, fraction of signal(ib) can go through base NPN and then B*ib come through its collector then to RL but Cant go through PNP(yet base emmiter of PNP is at -0.7 which gives it a potential to conduct) \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2, 2024 at 5:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ @sura keneni - to understand the principle function of the circuit you can, indeed, ignore the base current. It is only the small change in voltages developped across the diodes which makes one transistor more (and the other one less) conducting. For class-B operation of the push-pull pair, a DC working point is chosen on the Ic=f(Vbe) characteristic that allows a relatively small DC quiescent current (if compared with class-A operation). \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2, 2024 at 7:11
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Lvw, so from your point of perspective i.e ignoring base current and focussing on small vbe changes, how that small change in vbe happened in this circuit?? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2, 2024 at 7:57
  • \$\begingroup\$ @sura keneni - sorry, I have expressed myself not in the right way. The diodes are responsible for the DC operating point - and the signal input voltage is superimposed to this DC bias and is responsible for the change in Vbe which - in turn - changes the collector current. The voltage BETWEEN both base nodes (across the diodes) remains, of course, unchanged. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2, 2024 at 13:25

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